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Palin's kind of patrioticism

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by adoo, Oct 8, 2008.

  1. adoo

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    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/08/opinion/08friedman.html?_r=1&ref=opinion&oref=slogin

    October 8, 2008 By THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN

    Criticizing Sarah Palin is truly shooting fish in a barrel. But given the huge attention she is getting, you can’t just ignore what she has to say. And there was one thing she said in the debate with Joe Biden that really sticks in my craw. It was when she turned to Biden and declared: “You said recently that higher taxes or asking for higher taxes or paying higher taxes is patriotic. In the middle class of America, which is where Todd and I have been all of our lives, that’s not patriotic.”

    What an awful statement. Palin defended the government’s $700 billion rescue plan. She defended the surge in Iraq, where her own son is now serving. She defended sending more troops to Afghanistan. And yet, at the same time, she declared that Americans who pay their fair share of taxes to support all those government-led endeavors should not be considered patriotic.

    I only wish she had been asked: “Governor Palin, if paying taxes is not considered patriotic in your neighborhood, who is going to pay for the body armor that will protect your son in Iraq? Who is going to pay for the bailout you endorsed? If it isn’t from tax revenues, there are only two ways to pay for those big projects — printing more money or borrowing more money. Do you think borrowing money from China is more patriotic than raising it in taxes from Americans?” That is not putting America first. That is selling America first.

    Sorry, I grew up in a very middle-class family in a very middle-class suburb of Minneapolis, and my parents taught me that paying taxes, while certainly no fun, was how we paid for the police and the Army, our public universities and local schools, scientific research and Medicare for the elderly. No one said it better than Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes: “I like paying taxes. With them I buy civilization.”

    I can understand someone saying that the government has no business bailing out the financial system, but I can’t understand someone arguing that we should do that but not pay for it with taxes. I can understand someone saying we have no business in Iraq, but I can’t understand someone who advocates staying in Iraq until “victory” declaring that paying taxes to fund that is not patriotic.

    How in the world can conservative commentators write with a straight face that this woman should be vice president of the United States? Do these people understand what serious trouble our country is in right now?

    We are in the middle of an economic perfect storm, and we don’t know how much worse it’s going to get. People all over the world are hoarding cash, and no bank feels that it can fully trust anyone it is doing business with anywhere in the world. Did you notice that the government of Iceland just seized the country’s second-largest bank and today is begging Russia for a $5 billion loan to stave off “national bankruptcy.” What does that say? It tells you that financial globalization has gone so much farther and faster than regulatory institutions could govern it. Our crisis could bankrupt Iceland! Who knew?

    And we have not yet even felt the full economic brunt here. I fear we may be at that moment just before the tsunami hits — when the birds take flight and the insects stop chirping because their acute senses can feel what is coming before humans can. At this moment, only good governance can save us. I am not sure that this crisis will end without every government in every major economy guaranteeing the creditworthiness of every financial institution it regulates. That may be the only way to get lending going again. Organizing something that big and complex will take some really smart governance and seasoned leadership.

    Whether or not I agree with John McCain, he is of presidential timber. But putting the country in the position where a total novice like Sarah Palin could be asked to steer us through possibly the most serious economic crisis of our lives is flat out reckless. It is the opposite of conservative.

    And please don’t tell me she will hire smart advisers. What happens when her two smartest advisers disagree?

    And please also don’t tell me she is an “energy expert.” She is an energy expert exactly the same way the king of Saudi Arabia is an energy expert — by accident of residence. Palin happens to be governor of the Saudi Arabia of America — Alaska — and the only energy expertise she has is the same as the king of Saudi Arabia’s. It’s about how the windfall profits from the oil in their respective kingdoms should be divided between the oil companies and the people.

    At least the king of Saudi Arabia, in advocating “drill baby drill,” is serving his country’s interests — by prolonging America’s dependence on oil. My problem with Palin is that she is also serving his country’s interests — by prolonging America’s dependence on oil. That’s not patriotic. Patriotic is offering a plan to build our economy — not by tax cuts or punching more holes in the ground, but by empowering more Americans to work in productive and innovative jobs. If Palin has that kind of a plan, I haven’t heard it.
     
  2. professorjay

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    She's not kidding when she says she believes paying more taxes isn't patriotic:

    Reimbursements Raise Tax Issues for Palin

     
  3. B-Bob

    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"

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    Is "Patrioticism" when someone is turned on by a patriot?
    Or maybe when someone creates a mythology of patriots?
     
  4. mc mark

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    Speaking of Palin, has anyone seen David Brooks comments about her in an upcoming interview? Apparently calls her a cancer on the Republican party.

    And that's just a start...

    YIKES!!! :eek:
     
  5. KingCheetah

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    It's kind of like a patriotic exorcism.

    [​IMG]
     
  6. ghettocheeze

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    McCain's Bailout Bill (lunch money to old pals)

    -Paid for by "friends" of Senator John McCain.

    We taxpayers, are those "friends" he was referring to last night. Just like any college roommate or acquaintance, any time you give a man some free money, you will naturally become his "friend". Maybe now we'll get invitation to go quail hunting with my man Cheney. Everybody knows i got an itch one grip!
     
  7. Bullard4Life

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    Something like this interview?
     
  8. SamFisher

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    Is this the same David Brooks who was falling all over himself to praise her debate performance last Friday? When prior he was calling for her resignation....and prior he was praising her as a breath of fresh air....?

    The guy needs to make up his mind, he's like a 5-year old.
     
  9. B-Bob

    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"

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    That makes sense. The doubt of sea ice compels you! The flag of the land compels you!
     
  10. Dairy Ashford

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    You are conflating anti-environmentalism with patriotism for the sake of meter and rhyming, but this is still a good joke.
     
  11. IROC it

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    It's much adoo about nothing.
     
  12. rimrocker

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    Patriotic Fascism.

    (It can't happen here.)
     
  13. B-Bob

    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"

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    You're so correct about the conflation. But I'm glad you caught
    the meter of the infamous line.

    When I first saw that movie (at the ripe old age of 29), I could not sleep the night after. And when several friends heard I had been disturbed by it, they left copious voicemessages and sent emails with just that one line over and over and over. :D
     
  14. B-Bob

    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"

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    That's not bad at all. I mean, if they put a meatball in your wheelhouse, are you supposed to not swing?
     

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