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P.J. Brown, B. Grant, Kurt Thomas, T. Hill or A. Davis

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Maryland Terps, Dec 24, 2002.

  1. Maryland Terps

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    Power Forward Rankings....

    http://www.sportsline.com/nba/playerrankings/PF


    P.J. Brown, B. Grant, Kurt Thomas, Tyrone Hill or A. Davis....


    Who fits the defensive/ physical power forward bill better?


    Does P.J Brown = Otis Thorpe


    we need a veteran physical power forward that can help defend until Eddie is ready.

    Trade Moochie and Taylor NOW!
     
    #1 Maryland Terps, Dec 24, 2002
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  2. smoothie

    smoothie Jabari Jungle

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    not that we will get any of these guy's but....


    a.davis wants to be a scoring option, and would hate being #4 for us.

    t. hill is too old and too unpredictable.

    turk thomas is way over-rated. any big man can pad his stats by playing for the knicks.

    i do like p.j and brian grant. grant may cost too much so my vote would be for p.j. brown......if it were an option.
     
  3. Maryland Terps

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    Me too. P.J. is in the last year of his contract also so he may be available in the right deal.
     
  4. youAndMe

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    No, a PF without midrange shots doesn't cut in the league now, especially with the zone D. Brian Grant, give the options, is the only and the optimal one.
     
  5. Yao1134

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    rockets trade: morris,boki,maurice taylor,1st rd pick, and cash
    rockets get: brian grant,R.butler(not caron) 2nd rd pick
     
  6. pasox2

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    Davis, Brown, Thomas, Grant.

    AD would get his touches just being next to Yao. AD is legit. Don't dismiss him.

    Brown is much the same. Older.

    Thomas is younger and tough.

    I don't like Grant. I guess he's ok sometimes.
     
  7. SLA

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    PJ Brown...okay nothing special
    Brian Grant...I LIKE! We need a big guy who can just rough it up with opposing players. He is very physical and that's what we need. Somebody who is aggressive on the boards. We won't need him on offense. But we still need Eddie Griffin. Forget Mo Taylor!!!....IF he does not improve and makes all those ugly and stupid plays.
    Kurt Thomas....NO. I think he's very high-paid. He's not heard of. I have to watch him this Friday to change my mind.
    Tyrone Hill...you all love him. I don't see why.
    A. Davis...pretty good

    We won't get any of these players. And I would not trade all those forwards just for Brian Grant and Rasual Butler. I would like Caron Butler though.
     
  8. LLJ

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    Hey all. Loyal Raptor fan here. (Don't laugh :))

    AD would definitely be an asset to your team on the defensive end--he's tough and he plugs up the lane better than most power forwards. Defensively, he almost plays like a centre.

    However, he is offensively limited. He has no inside game on the offensive end--you won't see many post moves other than a dunk. He doesn't have a hook shot, even. He is good at drawing fouls, but his jumpshots can lose a lot of games for you. He gets a lot of touches on our team, and he tends to brick his "trademark" 15-18 footers. Check his FG%--it's terrible for a PF.

    If a team can get him to just do garbage work and just draw fouls and dunk, he's a useful player. But he's fallen in love with his jumpshot these last few years, and they really hurt the team.

    AD is also overpaid, by the way.
     
  9. ROXTXIA

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    Brian Grant.

    Tough player. Great human being. We need a real power forward; that's where we're losing our games. And he would be especially handy to have around as Yao gets even more and more tired.

    Brian Grant could be had, I think, but his contract is a killer.
     
  10. Sane

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    Would love to get PJ Brown, but it's close to impossible. Hornets would be crazy to touch their team, they're doing so well, and PJ Brown is a big part of it.

    In the offseaosn, a lot of FA's will be available in the mold we need:

    PJ Brown
    Elden Campbell
    Tyrone Hill
    Oakley maybe

    We can have Brian Grant for Glen Rice and a contract, but DO we want to pay Brian Grant the MAX? Grant will still be on the books when Griffin's new contract and Yao's new contract kick in. He'll be in the last year though. Actually, maybe we CAN make due, but we'd somehow have to dump MoT too.

    Miami would beg us to give them Rice in exchange for Grant. They'd love to get out of that contract. Actually, this would be a nice deal:

    Rice + Moochie for Grant

    Then we dump Mo's contract on ANY team that will take him. Seattle would be a good fit for Mo. Maybe Toronto? Who knows.

    But an interior presence like that is something we NEED, not want, but NEED. A veteran player in the backcourt would be great too. Kevin Ollie and his brilliant assist:turnover ratio would be great. A season behind Sam Cassell can't hurt his experience.
     
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    I said it earlier that Hill for Taylor would be ideal, but with the way Boozer is playing, I doubt they'll do it now.
     
  12. saleem

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    Leebigez,I think most people agree here that we do need a physical tough minded power forward and that Mo-T is struggling mightly but T.Hill is pretty old and has had problems with his teammates in the past. Mo-T is pretty untradable right now.
     
  13. SLA

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    OOOH CANADA!!!!

    What about Kenyon Martin?
     
  14. LLJ

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    Martin's not a very good rebounder for a PF. He's tough, but matched up against the likes of Webber and Brand and Duncan in the West won't help the Rockets much. But if you want offence, then Martin's a good pickup.
     
  15. Maryland Terps

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    We need someone who wont mind backing Eddie up when he's ready to dominate. Kenyon does not fit that bill. Besides -- w/ out a Jason Kidd type point- Kenyon is a bust.
     
  16. Sane

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    Actually, I'd like to see an energy guy like K-Mart do the dirty work for Yao inside. He needs to grab more rebounds though, otherwise he's perfect. What I'm worried about is how much money he'd expect, and what truckload of talent New Jersey would ask for.

    He's perfect for us, but he's not worth what you'd have to give up to get him. Great dirty work guy, couldn't average 15pts a game without Kidd.

    Tyrone Hill isn't broken down yet, but his minutes are getting eaten up by Boozer. Damn, I wish we had picked Boozer. Just having a Jersey with the word Boozer on it would be worth a 2nd round pick, lol. But anyway, they wouldn't want MoT, but we can pick up TyHill or PJ Brown in the offseason because they're both FA's.

    The role of whicever player would be to play 20-25 HARD minutes of no-nonsense tough defensive basketball. Smack the other players around, on BOTH teams. We need a bruiser.

    It's not a matter of "I don't like that type". We NEED one and will not be as succesful with any other type.
     
  17. LLJ

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    I can make a case for Robert Horry. Yes, just one night after he got burned by Webber.

    First of all Horry can spread the defence away from Yao and he can still make big shots. Because he plays like a 3, he'll draw those big forwards away from Yao and stand around the 3 pt arc and Yao can do his thing one on one against his man much easier without worrying about those big Western forwards close by to beat him up.

    Secondly, Horry has played with the 2 best centres in the last decade. It is obvious that he knows how to adapt his game and compliment centres so that they can work to the best of their abilities. Plus, he may have a few words of advice to give Yao.

    Third, is Horry's experience. If the Rox are going to make a run for the playoffs, he adds experience and advice to a young team, probably knowing more than Rice.

    IMO, Horry is an ideal backup PF, at least for a short-term option. He's not a great defender, but he's crafty and he's still pretty tough. Plus, Horry has said that if he doesn't retire in L.A., he would definitely like to retire as a Rocket.

    I think if L.A. continues to struggle, they will find that outside of Shaq and Kobe, Horry is the only one with any kind of trade value. And I think L.A. respects Horry too much to trade him to a team he doesn't want to go to. The only question is who do the Rox give up for Horry without taking too much away from themselves. I still think Rice is needed on this team for now.

    But this should be considered in February.
     
  18. Sane

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    I don't know. In the game, Griffin can do anything Horry does. Of course, he doesn't bring 1/100th of the experience, but he does bring the clutch shooting. He's a betetr 3-pt threat, and has a similar jumper while being a better rebounder.

    I also don't think Horry is tough enough for what we need. I think the players in this thread are the only ones who bring what we need.
     
  19. ROXTXIA

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    Well, I'd gladly surrender, say, Eddie/Terrence/Chicago's obligation pick(s)/bag of chips for Elton Brand....but even the Clippers aren't dumb enough to trade him away (yet: they'll have Elton until his contract runs out after next year, and then God knows where he'll be).
     
  20. Sane

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    It would be stupid to trade Eddie right now. His value is going to go up, and we know it. No point trading him, unless it's to someone who also knows what his real value is.

    Looks like Clippers loaded up to NOT sign Brand OR Kandi when they picked Ely and Wilcox, lol. Wasn't Wilcox supposed to be a very polished PF who could make an immediate impact?
     

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