I love the fact that Francis and Mobley and Anderson all go after the offensive rebounds with fire, but truthfully, that is hurting the team. Now hear me out..... Every time our guards crash the boards, if the opponent gets the board, they are off to the races with a fast break. I think they need to do less offensive rebounding, and more stopping the opponents fast breaks. Has anyone else noticed that the Rockets opponents are now running A LOT on the Rockets? It is because our guards are under the offensive basket, and no one is back on D. I think a good knowledge of WHEN to go for the offensive bound is great, or perhaps our SF should go back right away. The two farthest away from the shot should immediatly head up court to stop a potential break, too often we have 4 or 5 guys crashing the offensive glass, and the other team gets an easy bunny. Thoughts? DaDakota ------------------ If Mankind evolved from Monkeys and Apes, then why are there still Monkeys and apes?
I agree DaDa. Our defense is porous enough without giving up fastbreaks. Conversely, I think their hitting the defensive glass at times hurts us. Everyone wants the easy fast break, but it's a lot easier to get those breaks if the big men get the boards, and outlet the ball to them, rather than Steve taking it 94 feet. A pass travels faster than a person on foot. But, of course, that means the big men MUST clean up the boards, or the opposing team's 2nd chance points will hurt. ------------------ The Serious Police are watching. Follow the rules or be assimilated. Shandon is underrated.
Actually, alot of the points we scored tonight came off 2nd chance points where our guards crashed the boards and I'n ok with giving up a few fast break points if we score more on 2nd chance points than they do on fast break points. It's not like we weren't matching up when they ran, they were just hot tonight and hitting everything.Also, some of those fast break points came off our big men trying to save it and knocking it to San Antonio players for easy baskets.The Spurs were just hot tonight ------------------
i feel wat ure sayin, but our guards are put in a position where i think they HAVE to crash tha boards. its pretty pitiful that only Dream has more boards per game then Franchise, our point guard, and thas only by a few tenths. although u are rite that we need our guards out there defendin tha fast break, that cant happen until our big men step up w/ rebounds. btw, mo taylor is gettin there- i bashed him be4, and ill give him his props here... ------------------ Lookin at a 75 year old man in a thong: NASTY Lookin at Shaq hit free throws: "O SH**!"
Steve's just a good rebounder and I don't think he needs to decide when to crash the boards. I dont want him to think too much out there, I just want him to play, because when he thinks he becomes hesitant with his play.I will always have respect for Hakeem, but lately he has been making me mad. He shows no hustle out there to get rebounds. In the first quarter we're up by 4 and duncan or somebody misses and all I see is Hakeem staring at the ball as it goes to Robinson for the easy 2. All he had to do was take one step to his left and get the rebound. If there's one guy I would like to see crash the boards it is Hakeem. The only guy I see consistently crash the boards is KT ------------------
I actually agree with Dakota on this one. One of the consequences of guards hitting the offensive glass consistently is the other team getting transition baskets. The problem is, the Rockets frontline as a whole is not very good in the rebounding department and that issue needs to be addressed. Having good rebounders helps create transition hoops off of defensive rebounds as well as Nike pointed out. ------------------ Check out the Best Source for Draft Info Draftsource.net
TPL, I remember that play, unfortunately Dream has been playing like that for the last 3 years. As for Francis, Ok, I do not mind him crashing the OFFENSIVE glass, but that means that at least 2 others can not. In addition, I think Steve needs to stop Defensive rebounding and start getting out on the break. I like the way Mo Tay is fitting in finally, but I think Fortsan might have been a better fit. If the guards felt someone was going to get EVERY rebound they would be ready to break more often. If someone takes a perimeter jumpshot against us, the player that was guarding him should immediately release, especially if it is a guard. DaDakota ------------------ If Mankind evolved from Monkeys and Apes, then why are there still Monkeys and apes?
It's difficult to tell someone who is hustling to NOT hustle. It really has more to do with poor defensive rotations than just too much rebounding by the guards. When the guards crash the boards, someone else has to recognize that and rotate. When the Rockets were winning, Francis was a rebounding fool but their transition D didn't suffer because other players rotated back to cover the outlet and break. This IS a team, after all. ------------------ The way to use life is to do nothing through acting, The way to use life is to do everything through being. - Lao-Tzu
It doesn't matter who is doing the rebounding. Obviously the closest guys to the hoop when the shot goes up need to go for the boards and the farthest need to get back on D. The key is we need 3 guys crashing the boards and 2 guys back on D for the opponent fast break or 2 and 3. - AT ALL TIMES.
The guards need to have some confidence in the big people to let them get the boards, so they can get out on the break. When they let Mo and Hakeem (or KT) get the boards, and they start running, good things usually happen. Remember that Francis to Mobley alleyoop in Vancouver? Francis didn't get the rebound and take it out, that was created off a rebound and outlet by Mo. I saw at least 2 instances where the guards (Mobley) could have tried and started a fast break, but decided to crash the boards, when Mo or Hakeem easily could've had it themselves. This isn't to say run back immediately when the shot goes up, but our little guys too often go into the land of the trees, and that's a fairly easy way to take an elbow to the face as well. The problem is, the guards don't think, and are somewhat justified, that the big men can get the rebounds. Blame this on Mo being deficient, Hakeem getting old, KT being short or whatever, our big men HAVE to rebound. If Cato becomes that "league leading rebounder" he would be a huge help for this team. I actually liked Fortson a lot this offseason. But, he can't spread the floor on offense at all, and doesn't have many post skills. He'd be a huge help at the rebounding end, but based on what his career looks like, this injury isn't a mistake. ------------------ The Serious Police are watching. Follow the rules or be assimilated. Shandon is underrated. [This message has been edited by NIKEstrad (edited December 27, 2000).]
Actually Dakota, Hakeem has been playing that way since he got married. Marriage, the downfall of Hakeem! ------------------
Actually, that is incorrect. That was started off of a turnover. Francis took that ball at about the free throw line, went behind the back to avoid Steve Kerr and then flipped the ball to Cuttino. It was a beautiful play but not predicated by a rebounding big man. The basic premise of the big man rebounding and the guards running is a correct one. Normally, that is how it works out. But, like I said before, it is not a good idea to encourage your players to NOT hustle. Let them do their thing and learn to play to their strengths. ------------------ The way to use life is to do nothing through acting, The way to use life is to do everything through being. - Lao-Tzu
This is a tough subject. I can see DaDakota's point that offensive rebounding by the guards leads to fast breaks for the other team. The guards on the Rockets championship teams didn't grab offensive rebounds but were in good position to play strong transition defense as a result. Hustle can be getting back on D, as much as crashing the boards. On the other hand, if Steve and the other guards don't hit the glass, who will? Until our frontcourt proves capable of generating second chances consistantly, our guards may not have much choice. I think the key is to not have multiple guards out of position inside. In our (fairly common) three-guard sets, one of the guards could try to sneak a board while the other two hustle back to prevent the easy layup. ------------------ "Thirty-seven?" -Randall, Clerks www.clutchtown.com
I would sacrifice all of the rebounds our guards get on the offensive end, in order to stop the fast break. Francis and Mobley probably only get one or two offensive rebounds a game, but they go for about 15-20. In tonight's game, watch how many times our guards go for the offensive board, and get caught unable to get back on defense. DaDakota ------------------ If Mankind evolved from Monkeys and Apes, then why are there still Monkeys and apes?
Actually Francis is the top offensive rebounding guard in the NBA. I thinke he got 4 offensive rebounds yesterday and tipped alot of balls that went to rockets players for easy baskets. ------------------
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As said before, all the Rox need to do is to have the guards aware of what's going on. If 1 guard (particularly Franchise) goes for the offensive board, then the other guards have to pick up Franchise's man and essentially prepare for a fastbreak. Mo could have had 11 rebounds yesterday, but there were about 4 times when one of the guards + Walter Williams took the ball from him. If they had just stayed back and let Big MO get those boards, there could have been some fastbreaks happening. ------------------ da ability to focus attention on important things is a defining characteristic of intelligence - alaskanSnowman [This message has been edited by alaskansnowman (edited December 27, 2000).]
Jeff- Read my post again. I said Vancouver, I don't think Kerr plays for them. ------------------ The Serious Police are watching. Follow the rules or be assimilated. Shandon is underrated.
