O'neal wants to be traded from Pacers>>>

Is this old news or updated? And I thought Larry wasn't going to trade him even if O'Neal wanted to be traded

 

Old news.

O'neal is now set on staying and working it out. There is a thread in the NBA dish about this.

Even if he wanted to be traded, doesn't the CBA prohibit players from being traded for a period of time after a signing??

 

You guys are just waiting to put 'old news' on any thread and (but I commonly agree), but this is Not OLD news. First its in todays chronicle and its the new lead story on TODAYS NBA portion of ESPN.com. New developments on this are happening.

Give the guy a break - sheesh.

 

I was just asking if this was old news or updated so don't get your panties in a twist

 

Here's some "new" news...O'Neall's "new" contract makes him BYC. Nearly impossible to trade w/o an under the cap team...and to my knowledge only Miami and Utah still have cap room. Good luck.

 

I also think that he cannot be traded before Dec. or sometime around there.

 

I don't know too much about trading deadlines and get confused a lot after a deadline passes because like a month later people are still being traded? Is there really a trading deadline or is that just a stipulation in his contract? On top of that after reading the article Bird mentioned if he was unhappy he would move him? Can someone please explain this to me?!?
I'm not too sure about Jermaine's contract (on a yearly basis) but doesn't kelvin cato make as much if not close to it a year? So I was wondering if we could trade him and mobley for o'neil and some other pacers if that's possible. How sweet it is!

 

You never trade big for small, but even with his byc status, the rockets could accomodate the pacers. They could give us what we want and need and we could give them what they want and need. I kicked this around last season with mixed results. With BYC for Francis and O'Neal and couple of players it could work, but I highly doubt it.

Here's the scenrio:

The BYC for O'Neal is about 7m while the byc for Francis is 5.5m. Lets get it working.

Indy sends the Rockets: O'Neal- 7m, Ferry- 2m,Harrington-5m and Freddie Jones-1m,and Foster-3m
Rox send Indy: Francis-5.5m, Rice-9m,E. Griffin-3m,nachbar-1m.

What does this do and who plays the pg for Rockets? Indy gets a all star pg in Francis, a potential player in Griffin and Nachbar and a expiring contract in Rice.

What do it do for the Rockets? Mobley moves back to the psuedo pg like his rookie yr with Griffin or Pike manning the sg to go along with a frontline of Harrington,O'Neal and Ming. Cato,Taylor,Foster,Norris,and A. Griffin off the bench. Lee Nailon or someone like that could be signed as a back-up 3. Its pretty even, but i don't think it would ever happen, but i did it to show that even with BYC a player can be traded.

 

Anytime Francis's name is a part of a trade it is r****dED AND REJECTED! I don't care what O'neal has done or what he's gonna do, puttin Francis in it makes it worthless. Francis has been here for four years and is our leader, even if it was just to show O'neal could be traded, it annoys me seeing Francis in a trade thread. Francis #1!

 

Ferry's contract is 4M.

I would make an O'Neal for Francis trade straight up.

Yao/O'Neal? That's pretty much unstoppable isn't it?

However, we'd have to go with Mooch at the PG, backed up by Fred Jones and Mobley. Now THAT's scary.

 

This is absolutely old news as there was an article posted in NBA Dish that said O'Neal and Carlisle have talked:

"I'm here to help him," O'Neal said. "I'm here to play hard. I'm willing to do whatever it takes to win. The bottom line is that everybody has a goal and that's to win. There's no in-between in that.

"He's a guy who really believes in me and I'm going to believe in him as my coach.

"I hope people don't confuse my comments about management and my goals. My goals are still the same. I'm not going to come in and play half-assed. I'm going to try to lead Indiana to the (NBA) Finals."

 

the problem is lots of players are money hungry though.. EX: Stephen Jackson... did not want to resign cuz the spurs didnt give him the money he wanted... I would take any salary as long as I was with a championship contender team... with a non contender i would demand more though.

 

<i>You never trade big for small, but even with his byc status, the rockets could accomodate the pacers. They could give us what we want and need and we could give them what they want and need. I kicked this around last season with mixed results. With BYC for Francis and O'Neal and couple of players it could work, but I highly doubt it.

Here's the scenrio:

The BYC for O'Neal is about 7m while the byc for Francis is 5.5m. Lets get it working.

Indy sends the Rockets: O'Neal- 7m, Ferry- 2m,Harrington-5m and Freddie Jones-1m,and Foster-3m
Rox send Indy: Francis-5.5m, Rice-9m,E. Griffin-3m,nachbar-1m.
</i>

That's not how BYC is calculated in a trade. Based on your numbers it appears that you are using a $14M salary for O'Neal and $11M for Francis. So based on those numbers, the trade works out like this:

Pacers:

Send out : $14M (O'Neil's actual salary)+$2M+$5M+$1M+3M = $25M

The most the Pacers are allowed to receive in return is
115% of that amount, adjusted for the BYC of O'Neil's contract.
So, they are allowed to take back
115% of $7M (O'Neil's BYC amount) + $2M + $5M+$1M+3M =
115% of $18M = $20.7M

The actual amount the Pacers would be receiving is
$11M + $9M + $3M + $1 = $24M

So, you've got the Pacer's taking back $3.3M more than they are allowed.
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Rockets:

Sent out: $11M (Francis' actual salary) + $9M + $3M + $1M =
$24M

The most the Rockets are allowed to receive in return is:

115% of $5.5M (Francis' BYC amount) + $9M + $3M + $1M = $21.26M

The actual amount the Rockets would be receiving is:
$14M +$2M+$5M+$1M+3M = $25M

So, you're showing the Rockets receiving ~$3.75M more than they are allowed.
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In short, for the purpose of a trade, the players actual salary counts toward the amount the team sent out and his BYC amount counts toward the amount that you are allowed to receive in return.

It's like Gater said, unless a team has cap room, then O'Neil won't be traded.

Notice Larry Bird's quote in that article:
``Then if he wants to leave town <b>next year</b>,'' Bird said, ``we'll have to talk about it.''

He says "next year", because that's when O'Neil loses his BYC status.

 

I bet Utah would do it though if they were offered our Chicago obligation as well as another second rounder from Indiana. I mean, common, it's not like they're competing with any of us, and they'd basically be getting 3 free picks.

 

Look for the Franchise to retire as a Rocket.

 

Codell,

Please retire from the bbs police.

I'm gonna send you a box of COAL so you can squeeze them into some diamonds.

 

I'd do a trade with Oneal for Francis straight up. No hesitations in trading him too.

 

Sane - Respectfully disagree.

1) IIRC, Sloan is in the final year of his contract. He could have retired along with Stockton and Malone's departure but he didn't. You may think Utah is not competing but that in no way is reflective of anything I have seen from Sloan over the years.

2) Depending on the exact components of a trade, Utah would wind up taking in ~$6m in contracts (leebigez's proposal). IMHO, they would not jeopardize the huge amount of cap space they are going to have next summer when Ostertag, Keon Clark and Jarron Collins' contracts all expire.

The $3m on the Rox side likely would be Moochie. Moochie's contract runs until the 2006-07 season and places a small crimp on re-signing Harpring, AK, and Stevenson as well as impacting the premium the Jazz will need to pay players to go to Utah.

I see no advantage for the Jazz in 2 second round picks and ~$6m in contracts. They could do better remaining on the sidelines.