One scoring SF and a stud Front line player are missing!!!

I'll take 3 stud guards, Mo' and Webber.

I get to the championship faster, because I only ask for the stud Front line player.

Ha!!

screw the SF position. It is only necessary in fantasy leagues.

 

If we had scorers at every position, all we'd have for the next 10-12yrs would be first round playoff births. We'd never make it past.

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HeyP, who would the other guard be and could the Rockets get away with 2 6'9 guys in the post? I kind of like the idea due to the obvious athletecism and the mismatches the Rockets would have on offense. Can Webber play a little 3 in your opinion like Garnett and Mr.Techman in Portland? That way we keep Cato for the last line of defense assuming he can stay healthy for atleast40 games.



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Tell that to Larry Bird, Dr. J, and James Worthy. Or, to use current players, Grant Hill, Glenn Robinson, Peja Stojakovic, and Donyell Marshall.

There is a place for the small forward in today's game. But I agree that it is possible to successfully play a couple of 2 guards (in our case, Mobley and Anderson) in the absence of a true 3. But if that's the case, I'd like to see solid rebounders at both big man positions.

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SamCassell,

My point simply is the SF position is the least necessary of all position and the least represented in Top 50 (especially since I always considered Bird a PF). Further, it is definitely the least necessary position in our offense as long as we hold onto our 4 guards.

My point is that I wold save on filling out our least used position while building up my frontline, over the strategy of trying to do both.

For examples in the present: San Antonio, Lakers, Portland, Utah and Philadelphia are widely regarded as the teams most vying for the championship this year. How many "scoring SFs" do we see on those teams. Now look at the records of the teams that rely heavily on scoring SFs.

Sure we can find examples for all positions, but this is definitely the position of least importance, imo.

[This message has been edited by heypartner (edited March 06, 2001).]

 

quote:
Originally posted by a.k.a vince:

"One scoring SF and a stud Front line player are missing!!!"

Solutions:
1.) finding the "stud front line player" will be the primary mission of CD & Rudy. we all know who's the #1 target in their mind-CWebb. so, let's just pray for Webber to end up in Houston. If not, then A. Davis or Mo Taylor comes in mind next.
2.) I agree we need a "scoring SF" so Shandon can play his nature position SG w/ Mobley coming off the bench. I think the Big Dog Robinson could be the solution.
how about this:
W. Williams($4.75M) + Cato($6M) + KT($0.94M) + a 1st Rd pick (Milwakee owe the Rockets their 1st Rd pick this year) for G. Robinson($8.99M) and E. Johnson($2.5M)
3.) Los wants to play in Det. and the Pistons want him so maybe we can trade up our own pick(#12~#14) by sending Los and our 1st Rd pick to Detroit for their 1st rd pick(#7~#9). at #7~#9 we can pick up T. Murphy or M. Bradley to replace KT.
here's the line-up we can expect:

Dream, Johnson, Collier
CWebb, Murphy,
Robinson, Bullard, Langhi
Anderson, Mobley
Francis, Norris

that's a starting line-up of 3 super stars in CWebb, Robinson, and Francis(they'll combine for 70ppg, 22rpg, 15apg); two defensive stoppers in Anderson and the Dream.
We also have the best sixth man in Mobley to provide instant points off the bench, a good rebounder and shot blocker in E. Johnosn to back up Hakeem, Moochie and Murphy will run the pick n' roll perfectly, and Bullard, as always, will shoot the 3s. wow, everything looks perfect. now all we need is a little good luck.



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If we didn't get Webber would you take a shot at Finley?

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President of the Steve Francis, Jamal Crawford,Larry Hughes, and Charles Woodson fan club.

 

"If we didn't get Webber would you take a shot at Finley?" --- Lil Francis

No! If we didn't get Webber the big bucks belong to Mo, Shandon, Hakeem, and Moochie.
If Webber ended up in Houston, however, I have a feeling that Hakeem, Shandon, and Moochie will sign for less to stay here. Because they're winners and they know this will be a serious contender w/ CWebb and Steve on the team. Mo will be gone though.

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hey, Lil Francis
I'd like the info of your Steve Francis fan club. is it for real?

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LOL...you're new here, aren't ya?



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Behad
Sergeant at Arms of the Clutch BBS

 

Nope its just a signature. Francis already has a website. Just type in USFP.net



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President of the Steve Francis, Jamal Crawford,Larry Hughes, and Charles Woodson fan club.

 

HeyP, are you ignoring me or what. I'm not being a wiseguy, I wanted some feedback on my question for you. If I'm out of line I won't bother you. I thought we buried the hatchet.

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Look, lets just sign the western conference all-stars.

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Bird was a small forward, Mchale was the power forward. And we do need a small forward w/size. Even thoughs a very good tough minded defender, the bottom line is he's only 6'6", way shorter than most SF's. With that we have height disadvantages at the SF and SG cuz Mobley's only 6'4". The extra blocks and rebounds that a athletic SF gets can usually make a differenece. Rembember when the Rox were at their peak, Horry was vital to our success with the little things he did.

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I was referring to Shandon only being 6'6". It would be nice to get a SF w/the size of Donyell Marshall or Horry. Marshall's the difference for the Utah this year.

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Since75, I thought I answered both questions in the same response. I should have put your name with Sams.

The current guard line-up is what I'm talking about.

I do not believe in investing in SF at the expense of the frontline. That's all I'm saying. Sure, it would be grand to have scoring prototypes at every position, but that is not reality; it is mere fantasy.

mfgarza, bird played whatever position he wanted. He was not a prototype SF and is not a good example to use for the needs for SFs.

Everyone is still ignoring my claim that a SF is the least of our needs given the offensive system we are excelling at. A scoring frontline is far more important than a scoring SF. We already have 3 scoring guards and a solid backup. Those 4 guys can handle the 3 small positions, especially in our system.

If you don't believe me, name some good teams throughout history who fielded a star SF at the expense of the backcourt or the frontcourt.

Star SF with a star guard(s) and lame frontcourt is not a championship team
Star SF with a star center or PF is not as good as the PG/C variety.

It is better for us to go for a PF/C type like Webber than a SF.

If you just want to talk about how'd we would be better if we got Reef and Webber, you are right. I can't debate your fantasies.

 

"name some good teams throughout history who fielded a star SF at the expense of the backcourt or the frontcourt"

Well, the Bulls come to mind. Especially if we're talking about offensive stars, a term that applies to neither Ho Grant nor Rodman.

But in the Rockets system I agree that offensively, things are copacetic with 3 guards. Defensively, however, I think matchup problems are created with Shandon at the 3. He is a superb defender as a guard but gives up height as a forward, along with sacrificing rebounds at that position. That forces Steve and Cuttino to crash the boards more often, reducing their ability to run the fastbreak. The above is especially true when you've got another weak rebounder out there in Mo Taylor (I like Mo but we all know that is not a strong suit of his).

Thus a stud defensive small forward would be ideal for this team, along the lines of Robert Horry in his days with the club.

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In Italy for 30 years under the Borgias they had warfare, terror, murder, and bloodshed, but they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci, and the Renaissance. In Switzerland they had brotherly love - they had 500 years of democracy and peace, and what did that produce? The cuckoo clock.

 

If we don't get Webber this offseason wouldn't it be best to hang onto some of the cap space? Just pay Mo whatever it takes to keep him, add Dream for one more year and try to keep Shandon, but also put ourselves in a position for the upcoming free agent group (Vince Carter, Paul Pierce, etc...). I like the core we've developed here, but it seems to me we're one solid big man away still (I know Carter's a SF, but I don't think there's anyone here that would pass on a chance at him). Of course that's assuming a possible lottery pick couldn't help us out.

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