The aspect of time was never my biggest obstacle with doing a massive draft. I'm against it as I do not want to throw away all the work we have done as I have built not only for now, but also for the upcoming couple of seasons. Of course several has said that a massive draft will take a lot of time - and we will get a lot of waiting for the ones that never show up - delaying the draft by a day for a singlepick. And a massive draft will have a lot of picks. I would rather see that we bid for players than draft them - as then we never have towait for a GM. All players become freeagents - the highest bidder get the player and sign him to a contract for that amount for X seasons. Then of course we would need a salary cap - and every thing would be very complex, but I would rather do that than a massive draft ever. At the moment though I do not want to do anything as I would really like for us to continue what we have for several seasons. I know we can make it work. I actually think it is working - we just have to let The Cat decide on our issues with this seasons common draft, and make it better for next seasons common draft. ------------------ The CC.net NBA Sim Board/Homepage
Well heath, This is only the second season. I understand you wanting to keeps things the way they are, but you have to admit that the common draft is broken, and I don't see how you think the bad teams will get better with the talent that will be in the draft. I've heard for two seasons now things will change next year, blah, blah, blah. From what you told me in the chat room, the common draft is going to have less talent next year. If that is indead the truth, then there isn't any way that the bad teams will ever challenge the mavs and blazers of the sim. ------------------ I am an invisible man.
In fact I belive the talent will be better next year when we release one starter and one top bench player. (In fact some can argue that this is what we are doing this season also) Why do I believe it will be better? Well because of the rookie's added - and the fact that the worst teams will have gotten rid of their scrubbiest scrubs as starters. SO - yes - I do believe next seasons common draft will have better talent than this even if you dont have to release 2 starters. ------------------ The CC.net NBA Sim Board/Homepage
I dont like the idea of a Massive draft or free agency, but on the other hand it doesnt really matter because all go along with the final decision made, simply because its just a game. ------------------ http://www.al-gore-2004.org/ mgh1924-2001 [This message has been edited by dc rock (edited June 17, 2001).]
DC Rock, I, too, am willing to go along with anything. I just think that it is far fairer to redraft because those teams that got raped in the first draft have a hard time competing. I really have no sympathy for us GMs that have been here from the beginning because it is far easier for us to redraft our team, then it would be for the scrub teams to get to compete with the mavs and blazers, and even the sixers. Think about it heath, your bench is better then most of those scrub teams starters. Is that fair? ------------------ I am an invisible man.
Hey im hard to compete with too, j/k ------------------ http://www.al-gore-2004.org/ mgh 1924-2001 [This message has been edited by dc rock (edited June 17, 2001).]
A bidding system would be damn interesting. Man wouldnt that be cool? Do you build around one superstar? or have a balanced attack. That would be so awesome. ------------------ The next time I have meat and mashed potatoes, I think I'll put a very large blob of potatoes on my plate with just a little piece of meat. And if someone asks me why i didn't get more meat, ill just say, "Oh, you mean this?" and pull out a big piece of meat from inside the blob of potatoes, where ive hidden it. Good magic trick, huh?
How about a cap of 100 Mil. Ill start the bidding. I bid 25 Mil on Shaq. ------------------ The next time I have meat and mashed potatoes, I think I'll put a very large blob of potatoes on my plate with just a little piece of meat. And if someone asks me why i didn't get more meat, ill just say, "Oh, you mean this?" and pull out a big piece of meat from inside the blob of potatoes, where ive hidden it. Good magic trick, huh?
I think it would take the bottom half of this league at least 10 years to get the teams turned around. That's a long time to wait around. We need something a little faster otherwise most of us will get bored with this league. It's one thing if you screw your own team up and lose, but we didn't, you'all did a good job of that youselves. Now I don't mind, but give me a fighting chance. Right now I've got no hope and I don't have 10 years. ------------------ humble, but hungry.
I think a bidding system would be cool, but it would definately take to much time to complete, and also I don't trust any gm in this sim to be albe to put together a full roster. If 100 millions the cap, what you bet that someone will bid 50 million on shaq or KG or Duncan, then not have enough money to buy chucky atkins to fill out his roster. ------------------ I am an invisible man.
i dont no what we should do i dont like the massive draft idea but i like the idea of picking new teams and then starting out with them.. becuz i hate being the Nuggets ------------------ ***FRANCHISE***
A bidding system would take a hell of a lot longer to work out than a 12 round draft. I am of the opinion, if Cat comes back and tells us that things need to change, then we should do the 12 round draft. This would even the league, and if people quit as a result, then screw them. This league is becoming popular, and we already have someone lined up in case kbm does decide to quit. I would much rather take the time and work it requires to hold a 12 round draft than to continue playing in a league with a bunch of bickering and upset GMs. Cat! Please come back and tame this runaway beast that your sim league has become! ------------------ CC.NET Sim League Web Page My Team (Sonics) Feeling claustrophobic, like the walls are closing in. Blood stains on my hands, and I don't know where I've been. I'm in trouble for the things I haven't got to yet. I'm chomping at the bit, and my palms are getting wet. Sweating Bullets Runnin', Ravin', Endin', Out.
Undecided on the massive draft. Very time consuming... we're talking 348 individual draft picks! Bidding would take even longer. Anyway, Cat has already said a couple of times that he wants to keep things the way they are for a few seasons. But I wanted to address what Heath argued (and what others have said) about not wanting to draft because of all the work he has put into his club. If we don't make a move now, why would we do it in a later season, when each owner has put even more work into his roster? ------------------ I'm so amazingly cool you could keep a side of meat in me for a month. I am so hip that I have difficulty seeing over my pelvis.
Sam, As always, your logic is sound. Time builds greater attachment. I also agree with PSJ that it would take many years for the low teams to even become competative. But I don't care. I will go with whatever. Eventually, having no chance might bore me, but for now it is fine. When we do start over and pick teams, I call dibs on the Hawks. ------------------ I have just realized that the stakes are myself I have no other ransom money, nothing to break or barter but my life my spirit measured out, in bits, spread over the roulette table, I recoup what I can nothing else to shove under the nose of the maître de jeu nothing to thrust out the window, no white flag this flesh all I have to offer, to make the play with this immediate head, what it comes up with, my move as we slither over this go board, stepping always (we hope) between the lines
A draft is fine with me, but i think the top teams should have the top picks, i think this is fair because the gms that were here from the start shouldnt be punished because people joined later. either way though, like i said, it doesnt really bother me. ------------------ http://www.al-gore-2004.org/ mgh 1924 - 2001 [This message has been edited by dc rock (edited June 17, 2001).]
Sam, The key here is to give several seasons notice about when the league is going to stop. Of course if you were to arbitrarily ask if anyone would like to end the sim at the end of that season, then several GMs would be upset over future plans that get scrapped. Starting over in 3 or 4 seasons is perfectly fine, as long as everyone knows that that will be the end this season. ------------------ CC.NET Sim League Web Page My Team (Sonics) Feeling claustrophobic, like the walls are closing in. Blood stains on my hands, and I don't know where I've been. I'm in trouble for the things I haven't got to yet. I'm chomping at the bit, and my palms are getting wet. Sweating Bullets Runnin', Ravin', Endin', Out. [This message has been edited by RunninRaven (edited June 17, 2001).]
I've said this a few times already, but I'll say it again... I want to do a massive draft where we build our own team from scratch. Everyone will have an equal chance to build a contender, we'll also get rid of the common draft with this. There's arguments that a massive draft would cause less trades b/c we won't be able to deal common draft picks. I disagree with that, I think with a massive draft EVERY TEAM will have tradable commodities. The only reason people are trading for picks is b/c we've got these teams with scrubs on them. Good teams want picks, bad teams want players, so that's why picks get traded. I think trades would still go down on a regular basis with a massive draft. Now to what I'm expecting... We've been through this argument before, and Cat always comes back to say "We're not changing anything for another couple seasons." I'm pretty sure when he comes back the same thing will be said. Over time every GM's going to be bored with this league. We're going to trade players so much we won't have anyone left to trade. We'll all be tired of this league someday, and that's when we'll change it. My prediction is we'll be seeing the Blazers and Mavs winning over and over and then we'll say realize something needs to happen to even the playing field. The common draft is a valiant way to try to even the field, but it ain't working. When we all realize this, then we can discuss a massive draft or restarting or whatever. That bidding stuff seems like a major headache to me. I would be alright with it, but I'd honestly not put as much effort into building a team that way b/c it's just too much work. I just feel sorry for Cat having to read through this mutiny when he gets back... ------------------ Hey, it's the wizard! I hope you don't get nervous like last time. We wouldn't want you to... "wiz" on someone!
Thanks, rimmy. That $5 I promised you is in the mail. Raven, either the league should be changed, it it shouldn't. I won't say it is flawed because of team disparity, because I don't know that parity was ever the goal. But if semi-parity is the goal, and if the majority of owners want to change, why wait 3 or 4 years? We're talking maybe a year of real time, and that is forever. I could definitely see the argument for delaying changes (if the group wants changes) for one season as a compromise, because of the draft and trades made for draft picks. I agree with PSJ, rimmy, and BGM about the boredom thing. Predictability leads to zzzzz... ------------------ I'm so amazingly cool you could keep a side of meat in me for a month. I am so hip that I have difficulty seeing over my pelvis.
Guys, I have an idea on a Massive draft that will save a lot of time. What I propose is a six round draft instead of the normal twelve rounds. In the first five rounds, teams draft normally from the pool of available players. These first five rounds are sort of your starters. However, you don't have to draft them that way. It is just a way to look at it. In the last round, each team will then select their bench. Now, understand, I don't mean that the first team in the sixth round picks seven consecutive players. What will happen is after the first five rounds are over THE CAT will construct all of the benches himself and submits them to the draft. Therefore, each team should get an equal bench. Now I know CAT might not want to spend time creating all the benches, so others might have to help him, but I think, if we are going to have a massive draft, then this might be the way to go. ------------------ I am an invisible man.
96(I need the other four million to search the CBA for his teammates. ------------------ The title will come to ClutchCity once again.
