The numbers in parentheses is minutes for when player was on the court or off the court. Of course to put these numbers in the proper context, keep in mind who each player was playing with and against and the game situations in which they were on the floor. On Off Net Harden: -1.8 (200) -20.4 (40) +18.6 Parsons: -2.3 (191) -14.7 (49) +12.4 Asik: +2.1 (167) -19.1 (73) +21.2 Beverley: +0.9 (167) -17.6 (73) +18.5 Garcia: +0.1 (128) -10.1 (112) +10.2 Delfino: -14.2 (120) +4.7 (120) -18.9 Lin: -30.9 (70) +6.7 (170) -37.6 Brooks: +11.1 (57) -9.6 (183) +20.7 Smith: -43.7 (52) +6.7 (188) -50.4 Jones: -2.8 (35) -5.1 (205) +2.3 On Off Net Durant: +5.4 (213) -0.2 (27) +5.6 Sefolosha: -0.4 (168) +17.5 (72) -17.9 Ibaka: +1.8 (162) +10.5 (78) -8.7 Jackson: -1.4 (135) +12.7 (105) -14.1 Martin: +4.5 (134) +5.1 (106) -0.6 Fisher: +12.7 (100) -1.0 (140) +13.7 Perkins: +5.2 (89) +4.5 (151) +0.7 Collison: +20.6 (68) -1.5 (151) +22.1 Westbrook: +22.9 (68) -2.8 (172) +25.7 Liggins: -5.4 (46) +7.2 (194) -12.6
Can someone explain to me why +/- numbers are useful? Isn't it just your team's score minus the other team's score when you're on the court? ex. I sub in and through no fault of my own, my teammate turns it over 3 times and the other team scores on fast breaks, then they make two miracle 3s (not my man). I get subbed out and I'm -12 through no fault of my own. Its such a flawed statistic.
This tells me what my eyes saw: Asik and Garcia were huge game changers when they were in in a positive way, Lin was terrible, and the biggest difference maker for OKC was Westbrook. Dude was so explosive it seemed impossible to guard him. Only person who slowed him down was himself, whereas Durant seemed truly bothered at times by Garcia.
Its value is that it is a leading indicator. It evokes further consideration into what is happening on the court when a player is out there.
Yes. And maximizing your team's ability to outscore the other team when you're on the floor should be the objective of every player. Of course. Which is why one should take into account minutes played and who each player was playing with and against. Context matters. I tried to make that point in the first post.
Pretty much confirms what my eye test saw. Smith and Lin were beyond awful momentum killers when they were on the court.
More accurate way to compare is to split current result into two parts: With Westbrook, Without Westbrook since he is a game changer.
It is no surprise Nick Collison is high on this list. He is always one of the tops in the league in this statistic. He deserves more minutes.
I'm not huge on +/- but I feel these accurately depict player impact in this series. Smith and Lin killed momentum every time they set foot on the court. Neither one of them had no business playing really after first couple of games unless it was garbage time. I feel Jones should have had Smith's minutes. Smith did nothing to warrant McHale to keep sending him out there.
Thanks for the data work! Fair Dinkum, the stat works better and better with larger sample sizes and six games is not a great sample. But, just as your example makes sense, it also makes sense that if you (for example) enter the game, commit two turnovers which lead to scores, then leave the game, your negative +/- will indeed offer useful info about your performance.
Please use PER and WS. They are far far more useful (but also not perfect). This is Houston after all with Morey and his team of MIT statisticians. Please STOP with this +/- nonsense when we base so many of our player evaluations on advanced stats.
