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Olberman Rips Rumsfeld A New One

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  1. gifford1967

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    Olberman says what needed to be said about Rumsfeld and his latest rantings at the American Legion.




    The man who sees absolutes, where all other men see nuances and shades of meaning, is either a prophet, or a quack.

    Donald H. Rumsfeld is not a prophet.

    Mr. Rumsfeld’s remarkable speech to the American Legion yesterday demands the deep analysis—and the sober contemplation—of every American.

    For it did not merely serve to impugn the morality or intelligence -- indeed, the loyalty -- of the majority of Americans who oppose the transient occupants of the highest offices in the land. Worse, still, it credits those same transient occupants -- our employees -- with a total omniscience; a total omniscience which neither common sense, nor this administration’s track record at home or abroad, suggests they deserve.

    Dissent and disagreement with government is the life’s blood of human freedom; and not merely because it is the first roadblock against the kind of tyranny the men Mr. Rumsfeld likes to think of as “his” troops still fight, this very evening, in Iraq.

    It is also essential. Because just every once in awhile it is right and the power to which it speaks, is wrong.

    In a small irony, however, Mr. Rumsfeld’s speechwriter was adroit in invoking the memory of the appeasement of the Nazis. For in their time, there was another government faced with true peril—with a growing evil—powerful and remorseless.

    That government, like Mr. Rumsfeld’s, had a monopoly on all the facts. It, too, had the “secret information.” It alone had the true picture of the threat. It too dismissed and insulted its critics in terms like Mr. Rumsfeld’s -- questioning their intellect and their morality.

    That government was England’s, in the 1930’s.

    It knew Hitler posed no true threat to Europe, let alone England.

    It knew Germany was not re-arming, in violation of all treaties and accords.

    It knew that the hard evidence it received, which contradicted its own policies, its own conclusions — its own omniscience -- needed to be dismissed.

    The English government of Neville Chamberlain already knew the truth.

    Most relevant of all — it “knew” that its staunchest critics needed to be marginalized and isolated. In fact, it portrayed the foremost of them as a blood-thirsty war-monger who was, if not truly senile, at best morally or intellectually confused.

    That critic’s name was Winston Churchill.

    Sadly, we have no Winston Churchills evident among us this evening. We have only Donald Rumsfelds, demonizing disagreement, the way Neville Chamberlain demonized Winston Churchill.

    History — and 163 million pounds of Luftwaffe bombs over England — have taught us that all Mr. Chamberlain had was his certainty — and his own confusion. A confusion that suggested that the office can not only make the man, but that the office can also make the facts.

    Thus, did Mr. Rumsfeld make an apt historical analogy.

    Excepting the fact, that he has the battery plugged in backwards.

    His government, absolute -- and exclusive -- in its knowledge, is not the modern version of the one which stood up to the Nazis.

    It is the modern version of the government of Neville Chamberlain.

    But back to today’s Omniscient ones.

    That, about which Mr. Rumsfeld is confused is simply this: This is a Democracy. Still. Sometimes just barely.

    And, as such, all voices count -- not just his.

    Had he or his president perhaps proven any of their prior claims of omniscience — about Osama Bin Laden’s plans five years ago, about Saddam Hussein’s weapons four years ago, about Hurricane Katrina’s impact one year ago — we all might be able to swallow hard, and accept their “omniscience” as a bearable, even useful recipe, of fact, plus ego.

    But, to date, this government has proved little besides its own arrogance, and its own hubris.

    Mr. Rumsfeld is also personally confused, morally or intellectually, about his own standing in this matter. From Iraq to Katrina, to the entire “Fog of Fear” which continues to envelop this nation, he, Mr. Bush, Mr. Cheney, and their cronies have — inadvertently or intentionally — profited and benefited, both personally, and politically.

    And yet he can stand up, in public, and question the morality and the intellect of those of us who dare ask just for the receipt for the Emporer’s New Clothes?

    In what country was Mr. Rumsfeld raised? As a child, of whose heroism did he read? On what side of the battle for freedom did he dream one day to fight? With what country has he confused the United States of America?

    The confusion we -- as its citizens— must now address, is stark and forbidding.

    But variations of it have faced our forefathers, when men like Nixon and McCarthy and Curtis LeMay have darkened our skies and obscured our flag. Note -- with hope in your heart — that those earlier Americans always found their way to the light, and we can, too.

    The confusion is about whether this Secretary of Defense, and this administration, are in fact now accomplishing what they claim the terrorists seek: The destruction of our freedoms, the very ones for which the same veterans Mr. Rumsfeld addressed yesterday in Salt Lake City, so valiantly fought.

    And about Mr. Rumsfeld’s other main assertion, that this country faces a “new type of fascism.”

    As he was correct to remind us how a government that knew everything could get everything wrong, so too was he right when he said that -- though probably not in the way he thought he meant it.

    This country faces a new type of fascism - indeed.

    Although I presumptuously use his sign-off each night, in feeble tribute, I have utterly no claim to the words of the exemplary journalist Edward R. Murrow.

    But never in the trial of a thousand years of writing could I come close to matching how he phrased a warning to an earlier generation of us, at a time when other politicians thought they (and they alone) knew everything, and branded those who disagreed: “confused” or “immoral.”

    Thus, forgive me, for reading Murrow, in full:

    “We must not confuse dissent with disloyalty,” he said, in 1954. “We must remember always that accusation is not proof, and that conviction depends upon evidence and due process of law.

    “We will not walk in fear, one of another. We will not be driven by fear into an age of unreason, if we dig deep in our history and our doctrine, and remember that we are not descended from fearful men, not from men who feared to write, to speak, to associate, and to defend causes that were for the moment unpopular.”

    And so good night, and good luck.

    http://www.crooksandliars.com/2006/...elivers-one-hell-of-a-commentary-on-rumsfeld/
     
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    You beat me to it. That was a great commentary that was absolutely spot on. I was just about to post it.

    Here are some of my favorite, and I believe most relevant parts.

     
  3. Deckard

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    I happened to turn on the program, channel surfing, just before he did that, and it was a brilliant piece of work. I can't tell you how gratifying it was to see someone tear into the far-right and the Administration in an intelligent way, but without pulling any punches. Beautiful.



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  4. No Worries

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    Shooting fish in a barrel ...

    I saw it live and kept thinking why bother. Is there anybody out there that would hear this and have an epiphany that Bush sux?
     
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    Presenting well thought it, well written ideas and thoughts about important topics is never a bad idea.
     
  6. Deckard

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    Does anyone have an epiphany watching the crappy talking heads on Fox? The hell with it... it was beautiful to watch someone give as good as we usually get slammed with, except that this guy was speaking the truth..



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    Actually the guy John Gibson (host of "American Heartland" on FNC; a traditional conservative) was filling-in for Bill on the O'Reilly Factor last night. He had Dan Senora on and was visibly upset with Donald Rumsfeld -- and Dan Senora for defending him -- denouncing his rhetoric, saying "there is no need to point fingers and call each other names" when we disagree.

    Take it for what it's worth, Deckard, but there are a LOT of conservatives, both moderate and 'far-right' libertarians, who are fed up with the antics of this administration -- actions and words.

    The only 'card' the 'NeoCon wing' of the RNC has to play is the fear card, the mission is to scare the average American into voting them back in.

    Fear is their theme and -- they figure -- only saving grace...
     
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    Fifth column
    From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    A fifth column is a group of people which clandestinely undermines a larger group to which it is expected to be loyal, such as a nation.
     
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    I doubt O'Reilly is ever gonna let John Gibson fill in for his kiss-neoconservative-ass factor programm again.
     
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    Rumsfeld is a d******d.
     
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    The larger group in this nation is against the war.

    As was so eloquently stated in the OP

    As Sam Fisher pointed out in the other thread the use of that is originally associated with Fascists supporting Franco.

    You could use another reading of Olbermann's piece. It makes great points.
     
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    He seems a tad bombastic though, heh?...BTW, I appreciate debating with you...
     
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    Thank you. I appreciate debating with you and will indulge most of your sources as long as they provide evidence toward the point they are making. ;)
     
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    What a wonderful commentary!
     
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    "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." - Theodore Roosevelt

    "It is the first responsibility of every citizen to question authority." - Benjamin Franklin
     
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    Maybe you didn't notice, but I've been saying for months that I know many conservative Republicans who are planning to either vote Democratic in November, or stay at home. Most of them are Reagan Republicans, who switched parties in the early '80's. Some of them are even active at the county level in the GOP, but they're voting against their own party this time. I've been surprised.



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    Agree, but I'm not surprised. The party that nominates a common sense, compassionate candidate who is not a spendthrift likely will win. The party that gets taken over by philosophically radical partisans loses (thank goodness). IMO Americans are a really decent, fair people, and I have faith in our long-term judgment.
     
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    I tell you for a guy that values guns and the Second Ammendment you do seem awful trusting of the government. Part of the reason for the Second Ammendment was for the people, or more precisely the States, to act as check on the Federal government becoming tyrannical. It was exactly the scenario envisioned by the Founders that a tyrannical government would use the vary argument regarding patriotism and security as a basis for justifying their tyranny. As that was an argument put forward by the Monarchists. This is expressed clearly in Benjamin Franklin's quote "Those who would trade freedom for security deserve neither."

    So I ask you if you have such faith in your guns what good purpose will they serve if you voluntarily surrender your will to the government already.
     

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