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Olberman/O Reily TV Feud squashed by their corporate masters

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  1. Invisible Fan

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    I eagerly wait the upcoming Turd/Douche rematch.

    NY Times-Voices From Above Silence a Cable TV Feud

    It was a media cage fight, televised every weeknight at 8 p.m. But the match was halted when the blood started to spray executives in the high-priced seats.

    For years Keith Olbermann of MSNBC had savaged his prime-time nemesis Bill O’Reilly of the Fox News Channel and accused Fox of journalistic malpractice almost nightly. Mr. O’Reilly in turn criticized Mr. Olbermann’s bosses and led an exceptional campaign against General Electric, the parent company of MSNBC.

    It was perhaps the fiercest media feud of the decade and by this year, their bosses had had enough. But it took a fellow television personality with a neutral perspective to help bring it to at least a temporary end.

    At an off-the-record summit meeting for chief executives sponsored by Microsoft in mid-May, the PBS interviewer Charlie Rose asked Jeffrey Immelt, chairman of G.E., and his counterpart at the News Corporation, Rupert Murdoch, about the feud.

    Both moguls expressed regret over the venomous culture between the networks and the increasingly personal nature of the barbs. Days later, even though the feud had increased the audience of both programs, their lieutenants arranged a cease-fire, according to four people who work at the companies and have direct knowledge of the deal.

    In early June, the combat stopped, and MSNBC and Fox, for the most part, found other targets for their verbal missiles (Hello, CNN).

    “It was time to grow up,” a senior employee of one of the companies said.

    The reconciliation — not acknowledged by the parties until now — showcased how a personal and commercial battle between two men could create real consequences for their parent corporations. A G.E. shareholders’ meeting, for instance, was overrun by critics of MSNBC (and one of Mr. O’Reilly’s producers) last April.

    “We all recognize that a certain level of civility needed to be introduced into the public discussion,” Gary Sheffer, a spokesman for G.E., said this week. “We’re happy that has happened.”

    The parent companies declined to comment directly on the details of the cease-fire, which was orchestrated in part by Jeff Zucker, the chief executive of NBC Universal, and Gary Ginsberg, an executive vice president who oversees corporate affairs at the News Corporation.

    Mr. Olbermann, who is on vacation, said by e-mail message, “I am party to no deal,” adding that he would not have been included in any conversations between G.E. and the News Corporation. Fox News said it would not comment.

    Civility was not always the aim of Mr. Olbermann and Mr. O’Reilly, men who, in an industry of thin skins, are both famous for reacting to verbal pinpricks. Both host 8 p.m. programs on cable news in studios a few blocks apart in Midtown Manhattan.

    The conservative-leaning Mr. O’Reilly has turned “The O’Reilly Factor” into a profit center for the News Corporation by blitzing his opponents and espousing his opinions unapologetically. He found his bête noire in the liberal-leaning Mr. Olbermann, the host of MSNBC’s “Countdown,” who saw in Mr. O’Reilly a regenerating target he nicknamed the “Bill-o the Clown.”

    The 6-foot-4 Mr. Olbermann started sniping regularly at the also 6-foot-4 Mr. O’Reilly in late 2005, sometimes making him the subject of the “Countdown” segment, the “Worst Person in the World.” Mr. O’Reilly was also a stand-in for the perceived offenses of the top-rated Fox News.

    By punching up at his higher-rated prey, Mr. Olbermann helped his own third-place cable news show. “Honestly, I should send him a check each week,” he remarked to a reporter three years ago. Fox noticed. Mr. Murdoch remarked to Esquire last year that “Keith Olbermann is trying to make a business out of destroying Bill O’Reilly.” Mr. O’Reilly refused to mention his critic by name on the “Factor,” deeming him a “vicious smear merchant,” but he regularly blamed Mr. Zucker for “ruining a once-great brand,” NBC.

    In late 2007, Mr. O’Reilly had a young producer, Jesse Watters, ambush Mr. Immelt and ask about G.E.’s business in Iran, which is legal, and which includes sales of energy and medical technology. G.E. says it no longer does business in Iran.

    Mr. O’Reilly continued to pour pressure on its corporate leaders, even saying on one program last year that “If my child were killed in Iraq, I would blame the likes of Jeffrey Immelt.” The resulting e-mail to G.E. from Mr. O’Reilly’s viewers was scathing.

    The messages hit nerves on both sides. Mr. Immelt remarked to MSNBC staff members last summer that he would “never forgive Rupert Murdoch” for Fox’s behavior, according to two people who were present. In private phone calls, the Fox News chairman, Roger Ailes, told NBC officials to end the attacks.

    In February, Mr. Zucker told Newsweek what he had told Mr. Olbermann privately: “I wish it weren’t so personal.” The previous year, Mr. Murdoch said that Mr. O’Reilly “shouldn’t be so sensitive” to the attacks lobbed by MSNBC.

    Over time, G.E. and the News Corporation concluded that the fighting “wasn’t good for either parent,” said an NBC employee with direct knowledge of the situation. But the session hosted by Mr. Rose provided an opportunity for a reconciliation, sealed with a handshake between Mr. Immelt and Mr. Murdoch.

    But like any title fight, the final round could not end without an attempted knockout. On June 1, the day after the abortion provider George Tiller was killed in Kansas, Mr. Olbermann took to the air to cite Mr. O’Reilly’s numerous references to “Tiller, the baby killer” and to announce that he would retire his caricature of Mr. O’Reilly.

    “The goal here is to get this blindly irresponsible man and his ilk off the air,” he said.

    The next day, Mr. O’Reilly made the extraordinary claim that “federal authorities have developed information about General Electric doing business with Iran, deadly business” and published Mr. Immelt’s e-mail address and mailing address, repeating it slowly for emphasis.

    Then the attacks mostly stopped.

    Shortly after, Phil Griffin, the MSNBC president, told producers that he wanted the channel’s other programs to follow Mr. Olbermann’s lead and restrain from criticizing Fox directly, according to two employees. At Fox News, some staff members were told to “be fair” to G.E.

    The executives at both companies, it appears, were relieved. “For this war to stop, it meant fewer headaches on the corporate side,” one employee said.

    Tensions still simmer between the two networks, however, and staff members have been unwilling or unable to stop the strife altogether. This week, for instance, the Fox host Glenn Beck called Mr. Obama a racist, prompting rebukes on a number of MSNBC shows. But for now, the daily back and forth has quieted.

    “They’ve won their respective constituencies,” said a former member of MSNBC’s senior staff. “They don’t need to do this anymore, really.”
     
  2. shipwreck

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    "Bill, we are the same height. That is neat."
     
  3. Mr. Clutch

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    They are both obnoxious windbags.
     
  4. krosfyah

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    Difference being that O'Reily is also pathological liar.
     
  5. aghast

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    This network truce obviously didn't last, as Glenn Beck routinely has GE as one of its four or five pillars of what's running/ruining the world (along with mainstays ACORN & the SEIU). It's like the Illuminati for dunderheads.
     
  6. adoo

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    true; each from different sides. i like the on-air feud continue; it makes for good comedy, way better than any sit-coms / reality shows out there.
    the alcoholic Beck is but an O'Reilly wannabe, who can't hold Bill O's jock.

    Beck is the male version of Ann Coulter, the evil flame-thrower
     
  7. Pete Chilcutt

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    Bill is still the worst person in the woooorrrldddd
     
  8. leroy

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    Gotta correct you on one thing you have backwards. Ann Coulter is the male version of Glenn Beck.
     
  9. aghast

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    Glenn Greenwald points out that this truce was done not for the benefit of Olbermann or O'Reilly, but instead for their corporate parents. It actually hurts Olbermann, who by "swinging up" at O'Reilly improved his ratings, but instead helps GE reduce the flack it got for selling technology to Iran (and, unmentioned here by Greenwald, being a weapons manufacturer who profits from war, though that particular angle was unlikely to get mentioned by Fox). By that standard, Greenwald argues that it's troubling for the news division to be overruled by its corporate masters.
     
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    .....and Olbermann is a prince......... :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
     
  11. weslinder

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    So does this truce involve Olbermann quitting his ridiculous efforts at being Bill O'Reilly in every way but viewpoints? It's so transparent it's disgusting.
     
  12. Dave_78

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    fixed
     
  13. adoo

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    I stand corrected
     
  14. pgabriel

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    you mean the same olbermann who made his popularity on Sportscenter before anyone knew who O Reily was
     
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    Olberman was much funnier, though no less self-rightous, when he had dan patrick as a foil. now, there's no difference between the two (O'reilly and O'lberman) and folks who think the similarities are only in style, and not in kind, really don't know whereof the speak.

    a pox on both their houses.
     
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    I don't think Olberman has interrupted his interviewees nearly as much as O'Reilly has. Then again Olbermann only has that one British guy coming on and offering his input on daily drama. Both shows suck. The unintentional comedy from both networks is the only thing that has me flipping through both channels.

    I watch way too much television. MSNBC on weekends is Lock Down: Raw for 20 out of the 24 hours in the day. The remaining 4 hours is reserved for their one hour news segment and the leftover 3 hours is dedicated to the same Michael Jackson documentary they're still milking since MJ's death.

    CNN on the weekends is 24/7 Black In America 2, promising the knock off of Latin in America coming soon.

    Fox actually shakes it up.

    On weekdays though, you can't find better unintentional comedy than O'Reilly, Hannity, Ed Show, Countdown, and Hardball. Glenn Beck tries too hard and makes me squirm as he fails at being a comedian.

    Van Susteren is boring because she doesn't scream and gives boring news. Rachel Maddow is basically the same except her agenda is more in line with Don't Ask, Don't Tell which is fine. Her thing is bad geeky humor and trying to be all cutesy. Van Susteren's is talking like she has a ton of cotton lodged between her man jaws. Neither shows yell at their interviewees and that's why they got the ****ty latest time slot. Ze end.
     
  17. Refman

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    I hate them both and believe that the world would be a better place with both of them off the airwaves and having to get real jobs.
     
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    That is what we call "FOR PROFIT NEWS" ladies and gents!
     
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    Falafel thing.
     
  20. FranchiseBlade

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    No. There are other differences. Olberman doesn't blatabtly lie like Bill O' does, and apologizes when he gets it wrong. Keith is also a much better writer, and more eloquent than Bill O

    There are similiarities of course in the way they frame their arguments, Keith's obsession with Bill O' gets annoying, and he does have a too-high opinion of himself.
     

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