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[Official] Texans @ Packers

Discussion in 'Houston Texans' started by Castor27, Nov 29, 2016.

  1. Tha_Dude

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    Man, even the dude thinks he smokes too much sometimes. But if you call our defense garbage well, man I don't think I can really agree with that. In fact, our defense has performed amazingly well considering the injuries suffered. Our offense has struggled to put points on the board, and dominate time of possession. You can only expect your defense to do so much before they tire out on you and I think our defense is on the fritz right now, because they're juiced man. You can't keep expecting them to win the game for you, eventually the offense needs to come through and throw up 40 points on someone and THAT hasn't happened yet, man.
     
  2. Buck Turgidson

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    Sometime he do, sometimes he don't

     
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  3. Tha_Dude

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    Well, I guess Cool Hand Luke is a grade above the dude. Which is perfectly fine man. I never saw this particular movie, or, I don't know if I did or not. But, it seems very cool and I thank you for posting it.
     
  4. Shroopy2

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    - Texans defense is AVERAGE/slightly ABOVE average in points/gm given up. (Defense PPG is much closer to the top teams than it is to bottom teams.)
    - D PPG average past 4 games is about the same its been all year despite getting gashed on drives late.


    - Texans offense is 4th WORST in points per game.
    - Just 3 NFL defenses give up equal/less points than Texans have scored, but only ONE defense gives up LESS points than Texans PPG

    - For Texans offense to keep pace with their defense, Texans offense would need to be 20th ranked. That is still BELOW average, a bottom 1/3 offense.

    Conclusion: Asking defense to be the BEST in league, or asking offense to be BELOW average? The answer to this really REALLY evident .... Defense not great but better than most teams, Offense needs to get "Savage" AF
     
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  5. J.R.

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    Grades

    Quarterback grade: Brock Osweiler, 51.3

    Osweiler continues to earn below-average marks

    This was one of the better games we’ve seen from Brock Osweiler, and yet it was still a weak effort overall. You don’t like to write a guy off, and the Texans have made such an investment that you almost have to treat this as a rookie year, but there’s not a whole lot to get excited about when you watch him play. For the most part, Osweiler avoided turnover-worthy plays, but that was in part the result of a relatively conservative offense (all but four of Osweiler’s completions were thrown less than 10 yards in air) that didn’t challenge the Packers’ beat-up on cornerbacks. The conditions weren’t easy, but then again, it doesn’t ever appear easy for Houston at QB lately.

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    Top offensive grades:

    RT Chris Clark, 76.6

    LT Duane Brown, 72.8

    C Greg Mancz, 71.6

    RB Jonathan Grimes, 68.9

    TE C.J. Fiedorowicz, 66.4

    Texans’ offensive line does its part

    The Texans’ top offensive grades tell the story of an offense that struggled with the conditions, with the opposition, and at times, just the whole game. They’re not good enough to survive fumbles or drops that ends drives, and while the offensive line held up well for the most part, there wasn’t enough going on with the skill position players to maximize what wins they had.

    Top defensive grades:

    CB Johnathan Joseph, 82.9

    S Quintin Demps, 82.4

    LB Brian Cushing, 80.6

    CB A.J. Bouye, 80.5

    S Corey Moore, 72.2

    Houston secondary solid despite lack of pass-rush

    This was a tough game for the Houston secondary, and not because they were getting beat up. They were just being asked to do an awful lot in tricky conditions. The non-existent pass-rush meant that QB Aaron Rodgers had lots of time in the pocket to work through his progressions (and work back, if he so desired), with his 3.53 average time to throw about as high as it gets in this league. To put into context how trouble-free he was, his average on the year before this game was 2.93 seconds to throw. So, credit therefore goes to the Texans’ secondary that it didn’t allow more big plays, because when you’re asked to cover for that long, bad things normally happen.

    Texans' record, as usual, is 6 of one, half a dozen of the other

    Always being average wears on you.

    The small things in life suddenly become frustrating. The biggest moments simply wear you out.

    You believe you're better than you are but privately know you'll never be great. So you settle for the comfortable middle, preaching public excitement while ultimately waiting for yet another disappointing conclusion to it all.

    The Texans are .500 again.

    The Texans are 6-6, just like they've been in all three years of the Bill O'Brien era.

    The Texans are falling toward 8-8 - or worse - if they don't save their season for the third consecutive year.

    These Texans are average.

    It could have been 17-14 or 20-17 O'Brien's team on a snowy, rainy, windy, chilly Sunday at legendary Lambeau Field. It was 21-13 Packers, with Aaron Rodgers' team doing just enough exactly when it was needed and the Texans fracturing right when they needed themselves the most.

    Not on Osweiler this time

    DeAndre Hopkins dropped a pass.

    Charles James slipped.

    Believe it or not, the Texans' third straight defeat was not Brock Osweiler's fault.

    It was just an OK team becoming average again, Rodgers answering a tight but messy 7-7 tie early in the fourth quarter with a brilliant 98-yard touchdown drive, and O'Brien's team again left to explain why it can't finish off victories that are clearly there for the taking.

    The Texans should have won in Mexico City.

    They were good enough to take down San Diego last week.

    They had momentum, belief and the ball at Green Bay's 36-yard line in a 7-all game with 3:15 left in the third quarter. They went nowhere.

    The Packers unearthed classic Green Bay magic in the snow that never stopped and wind that only grew colder. The Texans trudged to their quiet personal spaces, answering the same questions they've faced since O'Brien replaced Gary Kubiak three average years ago.

    "There's not much of a room for margin of error with our team," O'Brien said. "We've got to do a better job in the fourth quarter."

    That's coaching. Player execution. Mental toughness. Not being held to just seven points until garbage time approaches and not giving up two late TD drives that took a combined 10:01 off the clock and ate up 187 yards in 20 game-deciding plays.

    "We're tired of being close. We really are as a team. … If you guys think you're tired of seeing it, we're tired of living it," said Osweiler, who completed 22 of 35 passes for 202 yards, two touchdowns and a 97.6 rating.

    The $72 million man is .500 with the Texans, and he sounded frustrated for the first time this season.

    While Kansas City has again ascended at the right time, New England has done what the Patriots always do, and Baltimore and Pittsburgh have taken control of the AFC North, Osweiler's Texans have played down to the limitations of their division and could be in an embarrassing three-way tie for first if the Colts join the Titans and Texans at the magical mark of 6-6 on Monday night.

    "We've very close to exploding as an offense. … It's true. We are three, four plays away from changing multiple football games," Osweiler said.

    Exploding? I'll believe it when I see it.

    'It's a horrible feeling'

    All you, me and your Cowboys-loving friend know right now is that these Texans frustrate you when they win ugly and let you down even harder when they give up the games that better teams find ways to win.

    "It's terrible," tackle Duane Brown said. "You play to compete, play to win in this league, and they're three games that we feel like we should have won. It's a horrible feeling."

    O'Brien benched Ryan Fitzpatrick, turned to Ryan Mallett, then called Case Keenum out of a deer blind to turn 6-6 into 9-7 in 2014. Last year, it was rock bottom at 2-5 and the horror show in Miami, then as many quarterbacks as the Texans could find for a strong 7-2 run that also ended at 9-7.

    Now? It's hard to say where the Texans are going and what awaits O'Brien's team in Year Three.

    Bob McNair never speaks after losing. But the media unintentionally ran into him in a darkened hallway after the Packers also reached .500, and the owner answered every question directed his way.

    McNair said he stands by Osweiler and O'Brien. He also mentioned injuries, dropped balls and the weather when evaluating what he watched Sunday and a 2016 season that once stood at 6-3.

    "No, I'm not worried about us. … I thought (we) played well under those conditions," McNair said. "It's just the Packers played a little better."

    Better than average.

    Green Bay had only one receiver with more than 19 yards. Wideout Ty Montgomery was the Packers' best rusher, and he ran for just 40 yards. Rodgers had only seven more passing yards than Osweiler and just 68 at halftime.

    The better team still won.

    Song of the South

    We've joked the last two seasons that the Texans have been propped up by the sorry AFC South. Last year, it took Indianapolis' losing Andrew Luck for McNair's team to win the division then get destroyed 30-0 in the first round of the playoffs.

    Average can allow you to fake your way into the postseason.

    Average can get you to 6-6.

    Average is also just another word for mediocrity, and that's where the Texans are at again.
     
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  6. toycannon

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    We are trending downward. We will need alot of help from other teams to make it to the playoffs after this lost.
     
  7. tmacfor35

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    Actually we control our own destiny.
     
  8. zeeshan2

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    Some awful vision by Lamar:





     
  9. Mr. Clutch

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    Only a horrible fan would call our defense garbage

    Texans have the dumbest fans in the nfl
     
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  10. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    Texans don't even need to win out to win the division. Texans beat their 3 divisional foes and they are in. Probably in if they only beat the Colts and Titans.
     
  11. Buck Turgidson

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    Sorry. I'll try to be more smarter.
     
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  12. TheRealist137

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    Yep he sucks. Run game was horrible with Miller, better with literally any other RB whether it was Hunt, Grimes, or Blue.
     
  13. Houstunna

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    The Charles James Award

    Best (or worst) slip/fall of the week.

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    His next game without falling will be his first.
     
  14. Mr. Clutch

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    It was actually directed at the people who try to defend Brock at all costs

    That being said the defense didn't get much pressure at all yesterday. The loss of watt and Clowney hurts obviously

    It's actually amazing the defense held up that well. If O'Brien hadn't stupidly gone for it on 4th down in the first half we may have had the lead.

    Packers scored a TD immediately after the 4th down failure.
     
  15. Houstunna

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    The defense played very well all things considered.

    Not having KJ hurts the pass rush too.
     
  16. Mr. Clutch

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    Defensive stats should also account for the offense regularly putting the defense in bad position
     
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  17. Mr. Clutch

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    Defensive stats should also account for the offense regularly putting the defense in bad position
     
  18. Nook

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    This sums up exactly why the Texans have been a mediocre franchise...


    McNair said he stands by Osweiler and O'Brien. He also mentioned injuries, dropped balls and the weather when evaluating what he watched Sunday and a 2016 season that once stood at 6-3.

    "No, I'm not worried about us. … I thought (we) played well under those conditions," McNair said. "It's just the Packers played a little better."

    Bob McNair is completely fine with being mediocre.

    The Texans lost because of the weather, dropped balls, injuries..... it is all just happenstance that the Texans lost..... Bob thinks his team played well under the conditions.... the Packers just "played a little better".

    No wonder the GM has kept his job.... no wonder the franchise is 6-6, mediocre.... right where the owner is comfortable.
     
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  19. Commodore

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    Miller sucks and he's also being used incorrectly
     
  20. Buck Turgidson

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    I know.

    What's the average starting field position rank amongst the other teams?
     

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