If Chicago takes Rose, you'd have to believe they are at least willing to talk about Kirk. They could try running them both in the backcourt, something they did with Hinrich and Duhon, but Hinrich makes $10 million next year and neither he nor Rose are well equipped to play SG full time, especially defensively. On our side, he'd be a great addition at the point. We can't just send Rafer over, again because of Rose, but Rafer could be moved in a different deal later this summer. I'd start talks with Jackson, Head, and Novak. Evan
as much as i like kirk, I don't see him as a significant improvement over rafer. For someone getting paid almost 2 times more then rafer, you had better be twice as good.
I also really want to get Hinrich. Probably get his career back on track playing off of Yao and McGrady. I was thinking something like... Alston, Jackson, Draft Pick/Head Alston could back up Rose and Jackson would obviously be a 6.1 million expiring contact. Chicago would save about 20 million on this deal and get a back up point guard to help Rose learn how to run a team, if he needs any help. Also, Chris Duhon is a free agent, and I doubt he'll be back since his little trip to Duke last season.
Dont give up Alston, for Hinrich just yet...offer anyone outside of Yao, Mcgrady, Scola, Alston, and Landry.
Hinrich wants to be Derek Fisher, but just hasn't been as steady. I'm sure Chicago wants to fish around for some value for him anyway. And a package of backcourt players won't work, as they're already loaded with backcourt players.
Sure, me too. But Paxson may well be a poor GM (if not, a heavily Reinsdorf-shackled one) but that offer would not last a minute. It would likely take a filler AND a player. Not a filler but two not-even fillers.
I would like to have Hinrich but not by giving up Alston. We need both to have a solid starter and solid backup, which is essential for us to succeed. I think Hinrich will be sought after, because of the difficulty of finding a good pg and any deal to get him would have to include Scola, which I wouldn't do.
I would love Hinrich. He'd be a great Adelman PG. He's not really a penetrator, but he's one of the best defensive point guards in the game currently, he's very good at setting up the offense, and he's a very good shooter. He'd be an upgrade on Alston, and would fit perfectly.
He is great and all...but not worth 10 million a year. If we are picking up 10+ million available players than they have to be named either Micheal Redd or Gilbert Arenas.
Hinrich is one of the few realistic PG upgrade options out there. Granted, he's owed a ton of money but I still think his overall package of size, shooting, defense and intangibles has all the makings if a likely perfect fit in this offense. He has many of the same strengths as Bibby in his prime and we all know how well PG's like Bibby did under Adelman.
Hinrich is one of the few realistic PG upgrade options out there. Granted, he's owed a ton of money but I still think his overall package of size, shooting, defense and intangibles has all the makings of a likely perfect fit in this offense. He has many of the same strengths as Bibby in his prime and we all know how well PG's like Bibby did under Adelman. That being said, he's definitely not my #1 priority this off-season. He's a great "panic" option for the Bulls if/when they take Rose and are unable to move Hinrich, we might be able to snatch him up for cheap. Edit: Sorry for the double post. My browser is going crazy.
Career G GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG 389 376 35.2 0.414 0.377 0.816 0.4 3.1 3.5 6.4 1.3 0.2 2.35 3.30 14.4 No thank you! Way overpriced and not really an upgrade.
My feelings exactly. I wouldn't give up Alston because then we would still be weak on the bench, but if you could get him for expirings and maybe next years first, jump on it. I think they would probably get better offers though.
With his salary I would join your thread myself. Better than Alston yes, $5 million in our salary cap better? No way.
Rafer Alstons career numbers per game HTML: Season Age Tm Lg G GS MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS 1999-00 23 MIL NBA 27 0 13.4 1.0 3.5 .284 0.1 0.5 .214 0.1 0.1 .750 0.2 0.7 0.9 2.6 0.4 0.0 1.1 1.1 2.2 2000-01 24 MIL NBA 37 2 7.8 0.8 2.3 .357 0.2 0.8 .267 0.2 0.4 .692 0.1 0.7 0.8 1.8 0.4 0.0 0.5 0.7 2.1 2001-02 25 MIL NBA 50 7 12.0 1.3 3.8 .346 0.5 1.4 .380 0.4 0.6 .621 0.2 1.2 1.4 2.9 0.6 0.0 0.8 0.8 3.5 2002-03 26 TOR NBA 47 4 20.8 3.0 7.1 .415 1.1 2.8 .392 0.8 1.1 .685 0.4 1.8 2.3 4.1 0.8 0.3 1.8 2.6 7.8 2003-04 27 MIA NBA 82 28 31.5 3.5 9.3 .376 2.0 5.3 .371 1.3 1.6 .769 0.3 2.4 2.8 4.5 1.4 0.2 1.6 2.6 10.2 2004-05 28 TOR NBA 80 78 34.0 5.0 12.2 .414 1.7 4.9 .357 2.4 3.2 .740 0.5 3.0 3.5 6.4 1.5 0.1 2.1 2.7 14.2 2005-06 29 HOU NBA 63 63 38.6 4.4 11.7 .379 1.6 5.0 .327 1.6 2.3 .692 0.6 3.5 4.0 6.7 1.6 0.2 2.5 3.1 12.1 2006-07 30 HOU NBA 82 82 37.1 4.7 12.4 .375 2.3 6.5 .363 1.6 2.2 .734 0.4 3.1 3.4 5.4 1.6 0.1 2.1 2.4 13.3 2007-08 31 HOU NBA 74 74 34.1 4.9 12.5 .394 1.9 5.5 .351 1.3 1.9 .715 0.4 3.1 3.5 5.3 1.3 0.2 2.2 1.9 13.1 Career NBA 542 338 28.6 3.7 9.5 .386 1.5 4.3 .357 1.3 1.8 .725 0.4 2.5 2.8 4.8 1.2 0.2 1.8 2.2 10.1 Kirk Hinrich career numbers per game HTML: Season Age Tm Lg G GS MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS 2003-04 23 CHI NBA 76 66 35.6 4.2 10.8 .386 1.9 4.9 .390 1.8 2.2 .804 0.6 2.9 3.4 6.8 1.3 0.3 2.7 3.6 12.0 2004-05 24 CHI NBA 77 77 36.4 5.8 14.6 .397 1.9 5.3 .355 2.2 2.8 .792 0.4 3.5 3.9 6.4 1.6 0.3 2.3 3.2 15.7 2005-06 25 CHI NBA 81 81 36.5 5.6 13.3 .418 1.6 4.2 .370 3.2 3.9 .815 0.4 3.2 3.6 6.3 1.2 0.3 2.3 3.1 15.9 2006-07 26 CHI NBA 80 80 35.5 5.9 13.3 .448 1.8 4.2 .415 3.0 3.6 .835 0.4 3.0 3.4 6.3 1.3 0.3 2.4 3.4 16.6 2007-08 27 CHI NBA 75 72 31.7 4.4 10.6 .414 1.1 3.2 .350 1.6 1.9 .831 0.4 2.9 3.3 6.0 1.2 0.3 2.1 3.0 11.5 Career NBA 389 376 35.2 5.2 12.5 .414 1.6 4.4 .377 2.4 2.9 .816 0.4 3.1 3.5 6.4 1.3 0.3 2.4 3.3 14.4 What strikes me about the comparison between these two is that Rafer has shot over 40% only twice during his entire career while Kirk has averaged over 40% for his career. Rafer has averaged 6 assists or better only twice during his career while Kirk has never averaged fewer than 6 assists. Rafer averages .357% for 3pt shooting while Kirk's worst years during his entire career are .350 with a career average of .377. What this tells me is that Rafer at his very best is only as good as Kirk Hinrich normally is on an average day. Kirk averages more points per game, more assists per game, more rebounds per game, a higher feild goal percentage, higher 3pt percentage and a higher free throw percentage oh yes and I almost forgot... he also averages more steals per game. What exactly is it that Rafer Alston does better than Kirk Hinrich? Well, on average he turns the ball over less...of course Kirk Hinrich only losses the ball 1/10th of a time a game more than Rafer. With out question Kirk is a substantial upgrade over Rafer.
If he could play on the same level he played 06-07, i would love to have him. He shot over 40% from 3pt and was selected to All NBA Defensive 2nd team.
We are already stuck in salary cap hell until 2010 when T-mac's contract is up. If it is true that T-Mac is untouchable this would address one of our weaknesses and Hinrich's contract is up the same year. 2010 is supposed to be the next wow class of FA's. I would rather see a bolder move with a T-Mac trade, but every indication is that the Rockets braintrust is going with the two-headed monster for the next 2 years no matter what. With all that said, I think Hinrich will attract more than we have to offer. He had an off year for a team that had an off year. He has the skillset to be solid in this league.
If chicago wants expiring contracts, we have plenty, if they want real NBA players, we are not going to give them any. Here's the list: yao/tmac/battier/scolar/landry/alston Yes, we we can give them alston, but it does not make any sense to them.
