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[Official] Astros Off-Season

Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by Castor27, Nov 3, 2021.

  1. Screaming Fist

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    Why not just use that money to sign Story and trade for a CF like Reynolds or Mullins if they still want one? It will cost a lot but I think each of Brown, Leon, and Lee have high bust potential. Also, those two moves probably get you near or at the 50 WAR threshold and return the Astros to "superteam" status. Even if they can't land a CF via trade, I think relying on McCormick, who has performed well in the majors, carries much less risk than banking on Pena and a cheap stopgap SS.
     
  2. Elienator

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    I assume he's willing to wait for this reason. I'm sure setting himself up long term is the goal, but there are also going to be a lot of teams willing to do a short, record level AAV contract if he wants to wait it out another two or three years if he doesn't find a long term situation he likes. If he can do a Scherzer type deal he could theoretically wind up with higher overall compensation over 10 years and even if he doesn't stay healthy he's booked 120M+. I'm sure that's only a fallback, but it's not a bad fallback option.
     
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  3. Elienator

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    It's possible the Rangers just liked Seager more than Correa. He's been better offensively and his overall skill set should theoretically age a little better. He's also a lefty which they may like better with their lineup. It's also possible the Rangers and Seager both wanted to get something done before the CBA expiration and Correa wanted to take his time or wanted more to sign right now.
     
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  4. J.R.

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  5. torque

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    Starters:
    Verlander
    McCullers
    Valdez
    Garcia
    Odorizzi

    Bullpen:
    Urquidy
    Javier
    Baez
    Montero
    Taylor
    Maton
    Neris
    Stanek
    Pressly

    Extra arms: James, Solomon, Bielak, Dubin, Bermudez

    There's got to be a trade coming soon, right? Even if we carry 14 pitchers, there is a glut here. On the plus side, our bullpen looks very deep and very effective. It looks like this will be a strength of the team as opposed to the weakness it was last year until the trade deadline.
     
  6. The Beard

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    It's also possible that Correa doesn't want to play for that worthless organization
     
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  7. Squirtle

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    Rangers are a lump of dogshit.
     
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  8. TMackin713

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    Is anyone able to provide a brief summary of where 'Stros are today with any free agent moves or roster changes? Here's what I've seen so far:

    1. Verlander signed to one-year
    2. Offer out to Correa
    3. Graveman gone, Stubbs gone

    Are there talks of us seriously going after any other big names? Does anyone have a good feel for when some of the big chips will start to fall or can that literally happen at any minute?
     
  9. torque

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    On another note, considering the glut of starting pitching we have available, I feel that Jose Urquidy could dominate out of the pen. Let's say he bumps his velocity as a reliever and sits 96-97, with his ability to control his secondary stuff and pound the zone - that's an elite set up guy, right?
     
  10. Nick

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    Whenever you have a pitcher that has 3+ effective pitches and can go 5, you make them a starter. Urquiddy’s biggest issue last year was his shoulder. When he started games, he usually pitched pretty well.

    But whatever the issue with his shoulder was… at the slightest dip in velocity on the fastball, he’d get hit hard.
     
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  11. tmacfor35

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    Urquidy has more value as a starter. If you want to move starters to the pen, I would start with AAA/AAAA guys who have good stuff.
     
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  12. skenney1993

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    80% of the big chips have fallen. Are you living under a rock? Lol
     
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  13. TMackin713

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    lol kind of. I saw the non-Astros deals. Just wondering at this point in time, what would Astros need to do to have a A+/- offseason. Are we eyeing anyone to replace Graveman? Are we targeting any other SPs and/or relievers?
     
  14. Joe Joe

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    Money is not the same amount and other teams will want a lot for Reynolds and Mullins.

    I don't see a ~$210 budget (including benefits) as cheap. If Story is an option, Astros should just go the extra AAV and keep Correa. Though both would likely push payroll over $210M. I would be all over Reynolds or Mullins. I'm guessing Pena would be needed as they both have a lot of years left and it would tough to match up value without him. I don't see Astros trading Pena unless they sign a top flight SS.

    On McCormick vs. Pena, I think both will be needed to play a lot even if McCormick is coming off the bench on Opening Day.
     
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  15. Chilly_Pete

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    Astros signed Verlander
    Astros lost Graveman, Y Garcia, and B Raley in Free Agency
    Astros signed Hector Neris.

    They also put Kent Emanual on waivers and lost him to the Phillies.
     
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  16. skenney1993

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    They signed Neris to replace Graveman and right now the rationale thing would be to be patient and get a tier B player instead of overpaying the top talent left. They also could trade for a CF or SS. You have to remember that teams are chasing the Astros so need to overspend like the rangers are doing. IMO that would make the off-season a successful one.
     
  17. Snake Diggit

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    Houston added Verlander and a very good RP in Neris. They have lost Graveman, Raley, and Yimi Garcia. Greinke and Correa are unsigned. Houston has a moderate need to add another strong bat to deepen their lineup. That would likely need to come at CF, SS, or C. Story and Correa are the available star SS. There are no good CF or C available in free agency. Other options include trading for a CF (like Cedric Mullins from the Orioles or Joey Gallo from the Yankees) or signing a corner OF (Conforto, Bryant, Schwarber, Pham, Castellanos) and moving Tucker to CF. Willson Contreras also appears very likely to be traded, and would represent a big offensive upgrade at catcher.

    Outside of that, I’m sure Houston is looking into trading for another good SP to upgrade from Urquidy/Odorizzi. Means, Lopez, Marquez, and Castillo are potential options. That move is less likely and less necessary. The only other move would be to potentially add another good bench player, either a bat or a SS who can serve as insurance in case Pena doesn’t pan out or needs some more time in the minors.

    Lots of offseason remaining.
     
  18. Snake Diggit

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    With Click all but guaranteeing they will tender Montero and reiterating they expect Baez to be productive, their bullpen looks set:

    Pressly
    Neris
    Baez
    Montero
    Maton
    Stanek
    Javier
    Odorizzi (or Urquidy, whoever isn’t the 5th SP)

    Josh James looks like a non-tender candidate, but if I were a rebuilding team I would be trying very hard to trade for him.
     
  19. Fyreball

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    Correction: Verlander is basically on a 2 year deal, with a 2nd year player option. And like others have said in terms of the big chips, they're all basically gone. The only ones left out there are Correa and Story in terms of SS.
     
  20. clutch citizen

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    It’s gotta be Correa or Story. and if it’s Correa, use Pena for a CF like Mullins.

    If it’s story, hopefully it’s a short term deal to allow Pena to ramp up and take over. Outfield would be very iffy though
     

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