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Of the Many Deaths in Iraq, One Mother's Loss Becomes a Problem for the President

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  1. wnes

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    Of the Many Deaths in Iraq, One Mother's Loss Becomes a Problem for the President

    http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/08/p...24078400&en=bf424af6ebfaee44&ei=5070&emc=eta1

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    Cindy Sheehan paces on a road Sunday near President Bush's ranch in Crawford, Tex. She vows to wait
    until he talks to her or leaves the ranch.


    By RICHARD W. STEVENSON
    Published: August 8, 2005

    CRAWFORD, Tex., Aug. 7 - President Bush draws antiwar protesters just about wherever he goes, but few generate the kind of attention that Cindy Sheehan has since she drove down the winding road toward his ranch here this weekend and sought to tell him face to face that he must pull all Americans troops out of Iraq now.

    Ms. Sheehan's son, Casey, was killed last year in Iraq, after which she became an antiwar activist. She says she and her family met with the president two months later at Fort Lewis in Washington State.

    But when she was blocked by the police a few miles from Mr. Bush's 1,600-acre spread on Saturday, the 48-year-old Ms. Sheehan of Vacaville, Calif., was transformed into a news media phenomenon, the new face of opposition to the Iraq conflict at a moment when public opinion is in flux and the politics of the war have grown more complicated for the president and the Republican Party.

    Ms. Sheehan has vowed to camp out on the spot until Mr. Bush agrees to meet with her, even if it means spending all of August under a broiling sun by the dusty road. Early on Sunday afternoon, 25 hours after she was turned back as she approached Mr. Bush's ranch, Prairie Chapel, Ms. Sheehan stood red-faced from the heat at the makeshift campsite that she says will be her home until the president relents or leaves to go back to Washington. A reporter from The Associated Press had just finished interviewing her. CBS was taping a segment on her. She had already appeared on CNN, and was scheduled to appear live on ABC on Monday morning. Reporters from across the country were calling her cellphone.

    "It's just snowballed," Ms. Sheehan said beside a small stand of trees and a patch of shade that contained a sleeping bag, some candles, a jar of nuts and a few other supplies. "We have opened up a debate in the country."

    Seeking to head off exactly the situation that now seems to be unfolding, the administration sent two senior officials out from the ranch on Saturday afternoon to meet with her. But Ms. Sheehan said after talking to the officials - Stephen J. Hadley, the national security adviser, and Joe Hagin, a deputy White House chief of staff - that she would not back down in her demand to see the president.

    Her success in drawing so much attention to her message - and leaving the White House in a face-off with an opponent who had to be treated very gently even as she aggressively attacked the president and his policies - seemed to stem from the confluence of several forces.

    The deaths last week of 20 Marines from a single battalion has focused public attention on the unremitting pace of casualties in Iraq, providing her an opening to deliver her message that no more lives should be given to the war. At the same time, polls that show falling approval for Mr. Bush's handling of the war have left him open to challenge in a way that he was not when the nation appeared to be more strongly behind him.

    It did not hurt her cause that she staged her protest, which she said was more or less spontaneous, at the doorstep of the White House press corps, which spends each August in Crawford with little to do, minimal access to Mr. Bush and his aides, and an eagerness for any new story.

    As the mother of an Army specialist who was killed at age 24 in the Sadr City section of Baghdad on April 4, 2004, Ms. Sheehan's story is certainly compelling. She is also articulate, aggressive in delivering her message and has information that most White House reporters have not heard before: how Mr. Bush handles himself when he meets behind closed doors with the families of soldiers killed in Iraq.

    The White House has released few details of such sessions, which Mr. Bush holds regularly as he travels the country, but generally portrays them as emotional and an opportunity for the president to share the grief of the families. In Ms. Sheehan's telling, though, Mr. Bush did not know her son's name when she and her family met with him in June 2004 at Fort Lewis. Mr. Bush, she said, acted as if he were at a party and behaved disrespectfully toward her by referring to her as "Mom" throughout the meeting.

    By Ms. Sheehan's account, Mr. Bush said to her that he could not imagine losing a loved one like an aunt or uncle or cousin. Ms. Sheehan said she broke in and told Mr. Bush that Casey was her son, and that she thought he could imagine what it would be like since he has two daughters and that he should think about what it would be like sending them off to war.

    "I said, 'Trust me, you don't want to go there'," Ms. Sheehan said, recounting her exchange with the president. "He said, 'You're right, I don't.' I said, 'Well, thanks for putting me there.' "

    Asked about Ms. Sheehan's statements, Trent D. Duffy, a spokesman for the White House, said Sunday: "The president knows one of his most important responsibilities is to comfort the families of the fallen. That is why he has personally met with and grieved with hundreds of families who have lost a loved one who made the ultimate sacrifice. We can only imagine how painful and difficult it must be for a mother to lose her son. Our hearts and prayers are always with the moms and dads and spouses and children of those who have fallen."

    It is not clear how the White House will handle Ms. Sheehan. Mr. Bush usually comes and goes from the ranch by helicopter, but he might have to drive by her on Friday, when he is scheduled to attend a Republican fund-raiser at a ranch just down the road from where Ms. Sheehan is camped out. She will no doubt get another wave of publicity on Thursday, when Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld and Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice join Mr. Bush at the ranch to discuss the war.

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    Make no mistake about it, I don't endorse camping outside of the U.S. President's ranch to protest the war - a man deserves all the tranquilities in the world at his private home. On the other hand, shouldn't Bush be more respectful to a dead soldier's parent? I don't know but is the way Bush calling Ms. Sheehan when he met her typical Texan custom or is it just Bush's own version of folklore? I for one can't imagine Bill Clinton or any other President would behave like that.
     
  2. Faos

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    http://drudgereport.com/flash4.htm

    PROTESTING SOLDIER MOM CHANGED STORY ON BUSH

    Mon Aug 08 2005 10:11:07 ET

    The mother of a fallen U.S. soldier who is holding a roadside peace vigil near President Bush's ranch -- has dramatically changed her account about what happened when she met the commander-in-chief last summer!

    Cindy Sheehan, 48, of Vacaville, Calif., who last year praised Bush for bringing her family the "gift of happiness," took to the nation's TV outlets this weekend to declare how Bush "killed an indispensable part of our family and humanity."

    CINDY 2004

    THE REPORTER of Vacaville, CA published an account of Cindy Sheehan's visit with the president at Fort Lewis near Seattle on June 24, 2004:

    "'I now know he's sincere about wanting freedom for the Iraqis,' Cindy said after their meeting. 'I know he's sorry and feels some pain for our loss. And I know he's a man of faith.'

    "The meeting didn't last long, but in their time with Bush, Cindy spoke about Casey and asked the president to make her son's sacrifice count for something. They also spoke of their faith.

    "The trip had one benefit that none of the Sheehans expected.

    "For a moment, life returned to the way it was before Casey died. They laughed, joked and bickered playfully as they briefly toured Seattle.

    For the first time in 11 weeks, they felt whole again.

    "'That was the gift the president gave us, the gift of happiness, of being together,' Cindy said."

    CINDY 2005

    Sheehan's current comments are a striking departure.

    She vowed on Sunday to continue her protest until she can personally ask Bush: "Why did you kill my son?"

    In an interview on CNN, she claimed Bush "acted like it was party" when she met him last year.

    "It was -- you know, there was a lot of things said. We wanted to use the time for him to know that he killed an indispensable part of our family and humanity. And we wanted him to look at the pictures of Casey.

    "He wouldn't look at the pictures of Casey. He didn't even know Casey's name. He came in the room and the very first thing he said is, 'So who are we honoring here?' He didn't even know Casey's name. He didn't want to hear it. He didn't want to hear anything about Casey. He wouldn't even call him 'him' or 'he.' He called him 'your loved one.'

    Every time we tried to talk about Casey and how much we missed him, he would change the subject. And he acted like it was a party.

    BLITZER: Like a party? I mean...

    SHEEHAN: Yes, he came in very jovial, and like we should be happy that he, our son, died for his misguided policies. He didn't even pretend like somebody...

    END

    On her current media tour, Sheehan has not been asked to explain her twist on Bush; from praise to damnation!
     
  3. wnes

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    "drudgerepor.com" - The ultimate source of political tabloids.

    "THE REPORTER of Vacaville, CA published an account of Cindy Sheehan's" - Where's the link? Or perhaps "personal communication"? Huh, another anonymous source.

    "Developing..." - You forgot to include this, the last line in the drudge report. Translation: not intended to be taken seriously.

    please
     
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  4. RocketMan Tex

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    Matt Drudge is the Walter Winchell of our times. All rumor and no substance. I love how certain people take his word for gospel. They are the same people that keep reality television on the air.
     
  5. ricky-retardo

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    http://www.thereporter.com/search/ci_2923921

    Here is the original article from The Reporter.

    Bush, Sheehans share moments
    By David Henson/Staff Writer

    Since learning in April that their son, Army Spc. Casey Sheehan, had been killed in Iraq, life has been everything but normal for the Sheehan family of Vacaville.

    Casey's parents, Cindy and Patrick, as well as their three children, have attended event after event honoring the soldier both locally and abroad, received countless letters of support and fielded questions from reporters across the country.

    "That's the way our whole lives have been since April 4," Patrick said. "It's been surreal."

    But none of that prepared the family for the message left on their answering machine last week, inviting them to have a face-to-face meeting with President George W. Bush at Fort Lewis near Seattle.

    Surreal soon seemed like an understatement, as the Sheehans - one of 17 families who met Thursday with Bush - were whisked in a matter of days to the Army post and given the VIP treatment from the military. But as their meeting with the president approached, the family was faced with a dilemma as to what to say when faced with Casey's commander-in-chief.

    "We haven't been happy with the way the war has been handled," Cindy said. "The president has changed his reasons for being over there every time a reason is proven false or an objective reached."

    The 10 minutes of face time with the president could have given the family a chance to vent their frustrations or ask Bush some of the difficult questions they have been asking themselves, such as whether Casey's sacrifice would make the world a safer place.

    But in the end, the family decided against such talk, deferring to how they believed Casey would have wanted them to act. In addition, Pat noted that Bush wasn't stumping for votes or trying to gain a political edge for the upcoming election.

    "We have a lot of respect for the office of the president, and I have a new respect for him because he was sincere and he didn't have to take the time to meet with us," Pat said.

    Sincerity was something Cindy had hoped to find

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    in the meeting. Shortly after Casey died, Bush sent the family a form letter expressing his condolences, and Cindy said she felt it was an impersonal gesture.

    "I now know he's sincere about wanting freedom for the Iraqis," Cindy said after their meeting. "I know he's sorry and feels some pain for our loss. And I know he's a man of faith."

    The meeting didn't last long, but in their time with Bush, Cindy spoke about Casey and asked the president to make her son's sacrifice count for something. They also spoke of their faith.

    While meeting with Bush, as well as Sen. John McCain, R-Arizona, was an honor, it was almost a tangent benefit of the trip. The Sheehans said they enjoyed meeting the other families of fallen soldiers, sharing stories, contact information, grief and support.

    For some, grief was still visceral and raw, while for others it had melted into the background of their lives, the pain as common as breathing. Cindy said she saw her reflection in the troubled eyes of each.

    "It's hard to lose a son," she said. "But we (all) lost a son in the Iraqi war."

    The trip had one benefit that none of the Sheehans expected.

    For a moment, life returned to the way it was before Casey died. They laughed, joked and bickered playfully as they briefly toured Seattle.

    For the first time in 11 weeks, they felt whole again.

    "That was the gift the president gave us, the gift of happiness, of being together," Cindy said.

    David Henson can be reached at schools@thereporter.com.
     
  6. mc mark

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    Sounds like Drudge is twisting what the woman said. Disgusting...
     
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    Wow! Drudgerreport? I am now convinced of that this woman and her worthless kid are nothing more than liberals!
     
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    Cindy is saying now that she will be arrested as a threat to national security beginning on Thursday

     
  9. gwayneco

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    Are they the same people who watched Dan Rather offer faked memos on CBS or read Jayson Blair's lies in the NYT?
     
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  11. GladiatoRowdy

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    How red is your herring?
     
  12. Ubiquitin

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    I believe this woman will become the human face of the anti-war movement.
     
  13. glynch

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    Sadly so predictable. Now it is time to trash the Gold Star mother, whose son paid the price that TJ, Bigtexx, Rove, Dubya and so many of the chickenhawks were not willing to pay. Drudge is a stand in for the Swift Boat Liars on this one.

    The mother is not allowed to change her mind on how she feels about Bush and the war and whether it was worth it for her kid to die. Meanwhile the dittoheads hang loyal through whatever changing reason for the war Bush uses to justify the war in the current month.

    It is sort of like when the GOP trashed the Iraq War veteran, Hackett in Ohio. Or when they trashed John McCain or John Kerry. It is unbelievable that the chickehawks have no shame or seemingly self awareness.
     
  14. gwayneco

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    So, you believe those two?
     
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    I understand now, Sheehan's son was the only person in the Army that was drafted and forced to go to war. No wonder she thinks it is unfair that the Bush twins are not in Iraq, since her son was not given any choice in the matter. No, wait, in fact like the rest of the military, the Army is all volunteer and it was his choice to join up. If the Bush twins choose to join the Army, then she can worry about Bush sending them into harm's way or not.
     
  16. GladiatoRowdy

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    A red herring is a distraction from a point. The point was made that Drudge is about as accurate as a blind man firing featherless arrows from a warped bow, or something to that effect. Your rejoinder, having nothing whatsoever to do with the story at hand, was nothing more than an attempt to distract from the facts at hand.

    An appropriate answer to my earlier question to you would have been "it doesn't get any redder."
     
  17. gwayneco

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    Until the MSM provides a higher level of accuracy, it's silly for anyone to criticize Drudge in isolation. If Drudge is Winchell, then Dan Rather must be today's Walter Duranty.
     
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    i find it a little tough to fault the president on this one.

    He did meet with her personally two months ago (that's more than I thought presidents did), and though he may have been sketchy on the details...not that hard to accept given he may have been meeting with many families, and given who he is.

    I'm just not surprised, (nor outraged) that she would be stopped if she chose to drive out to his ranch to visit. I guess I shouldn't be surprised that she becomes a media darling either -- great photo op's an all. But really...every death is tragic! How is this one that much more unjust?

    And he did lie about the war. I suppose it all comes down to this again.

    Pitty the hawks couldn't sympathise with her loss rather than disparage her character. And pitty the anti-bush couldn't take her protest in context.
     
  19. vlaurelio

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    that's the problem.. she feels her son was duped.. he was made to believe that he was signing up to defending the country which something very noble.. but Bush's war is slowly turning out to have nothing to do with anything noble especially defenting the country..
     
  20. GladiatoRowdy

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    Until the MSM in its entirety proves itself to be as wildly inaccurate as Drudge or Jayson Blair, your "point" is moot. It took Drudge selectively quoting an article out of context to make this woman look like she changed her story. This woman and her "quest" is the story here, not Rather or Blair, or even Drudge. The only reason Drudge was disparaged in this thread is because he set out to mislead people about this woman.

    Your missives about the MSM are red herrings and do nothing to invalidate this story. If you want to rant about the MSM, start a thread about it rather than trying to use said rants to derail this thread or invalidate this story. If you start such a thread, I feel it is only fair to warn you that it is clear that Judy Miller would be far more analagous to Walter Duranty than Rather is.
     

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