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Obama's Worst Nightmare Rolls into North Carolina

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  1. El_Conquistador

    El_Conquistador King of the D&D, The Legend, #1 Ranking

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    Game on, ladies and gentlemen. GAME ON.

    Here comes the Republican funded attack machine to annihilate Obama. This is the same guy who took down Dukakis, a similar elitist with San Francisco values. Batten down the hatches! Here comes the monster that all Obama supporters have been fearing since Day 1. Here comes the attacks that Hillary just can not roll out during a primary. Here comes the end of Obama.

    GOODNIGHT

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    http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1733873,00.html?imw=Y

    A Willie Horton Hit on Obama?
    Tuesday, Apr. 22, 2008 By MICHAEL SCHERER

    An old right-wing attack dog has returned with a new target: Barack Obama.

    Starting Tuesday, a group of conservative activists led by Floyd Brown, author of the famous Willie Horton ad used so effectively against Michael Dukakis in 1988, will begin a campaign to tar Obama as weak on crime and terrorism, a strategy that aims to upend Obama's relatively strong reputation among Republican voters.

    "The campaign by Hillary Clinton has not been able to raise Obama's negatives," said Brown on Monday. "It is absolutely critical that Obama's negatives go up with Republicans."

    Brown says the initial effort, a 60-second spot called "Victims" will be aired later this month in North Carolina and e-mailed to between 3 and 7 million conservatives this week, with a plea for more funding to further spread the message. "All of the efforts I have ever done in my life have been significantly funded," Brown claimed, though he declined to describe the size of the purchase. "This is going to be the most Internet-intensive effort for an ad debut ever."

    The new ad recounts the deaths of three Chicago residents in 2001 at the hands of criminal gangs. "That same year, a Chicago state senator named Barack Obama voted against expanding the death penalty for gang-related murders," an ominous female narrator intones. "So the question is, can a man so weak in the war on gangs be trusted in the war on terror?"

    Brown is funding the initial ad campaign through a political action committee called the National Campaign Fund, which had $14,027 in the bank at the end of March. Brown said he had established several other front groups to fund a long-range effort to erode Obama's support, including a second PAC, called The Legacy Committee, a 527 organization called Citizens for a Safe and Prosperous America and a so-called "social welfare" 501(c)4 nonprofit called the Policy Issues Institute.

    Later this week, Brown said he plans to debut a second ad, focusing on Democratic support for giving driver's licenses to illegal immigrants, which he says will also be aired in North Carolina. The second ad will be paid for by Citizens for a Safe and Prosperous America, the 527 group, which can accept donations of any amount. "This is a long march to November," Brown said. "Right now it's beginning a process that gives us the information to succeed in August and September."

    By airing the ads in North Carolina, the site of an upcoming Democratic primary, Brown appears to be playing for national media attention. The initial spot also consciously mimics the themes from one of the most famous, and controversial, attack ads in modern political history, the Willie Horton ad. That spot, which was also funded outside a campaign, blamed Michael Dukakis, the 1988 Democratic nominee, for the weekend furlough that allowed a convicted felon to commit another rape. At the time, domestic crime was a major national issue, though it has not registered as a significant concern in public opinion polls during this election cycle.

    Brown's new ad focuses on a 2001 vote by Obama in the Illinois Senate to oppose a bill that would have expanded the use of the death penalty if the perpetrator of a crime belonged to a gang. The links between Obama's vote on that issue and the deaths of three Chicago resident's are indirect and tenuous, as is the further connection the ad draws between the issue of Obama's position on the death penalty and the issue of international terrorism. (The ad can be viewed here.)

    Obama has written that he supports the death penalty for some crimes that are "so heinous" and "so beyond the pale." But in Illinois he worked to put in place more safeguards to prevent wrongful convictions, including a law that required police to tape interrogations and confessions. The Obama campaign did not offer any immediate comment on Brown's ad. (Update: The Obama campaign later responded to the ad, saying "Floyd Brown and the garbage he puts on TV represent everything the American people hate about politics..." Read the full Obama statement here.) John McCain supports continued use of the death penalty, as does Hillary Clinton, though she has also called for more procedural safeguards to improve legal representation for death row inmates.

    The new campaign could also have an impact on the ongoing Democratic nomination battle. Clinton has long maintained that she is better equipped to handle the expected onslaught of attacks from Republican allies. "I've been in this arena for a long time. I have a lot of baggage, and everybody has rummaged through it for years," she said at a debate last week. "I will be able to withstand whatever the Republicans send our way."
     
  2. halfbreed

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    So because Obama wanted criminals who commit gang violence to stay in prison rather than die, I'm supposed to be upset?

    I wasn't even around then but wasn't the Horton ad about giving prisoners weekend furloughs? Obama isn't saying gang violence doesn't deserve to be punished, only that it doesn't deserve the death penalty. That's his opinion and to extrapolate that out to the war on terror is a sign of desperation.

    As a side note, I plan on voting for McCain but it sucks to be associated with people that take this ad seriously.

    Carry on.
     
  3. weslinder

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    I'm against the death penalty for everyone. Am I "weak" on the war on gangs?
     
  4. Jugdish

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    Pfft, I bet that pansy SNOB would stop the execution of a r****d.
     
  5. Beck

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    This is nowhere near "Willie Horton" status...

    To be honest, I think Republicans should just let Obama go. His delivery at rallies in PA have not been as powerful as previous speeches, and I've seen him stumble over words and stall for time more than before. I don't mean that as a bash, just an observation.

    I don't think this tactic serves a lot of good, but maybe I am a generation or 2 removed from the target audience.
     
  6. El_Conquistador

    El_Conquistador King of the D&D, The Legend, #1 Ranking

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    The conventional wisdom is this:

    Both candidates, Hillary and Obama, have a chance at the nomination. If Hillary wins, the monolithic AA vote stays home in the General. If Obama wins, he is the most flawed candidate and will be exposed prior to the General for being an elitist lib with shady past dealings, weak patriotism, and no qualifications for the job.

    So the approach of the Republicans attacking Obama now is very clever. It prolongs the lib sandbox fight and it inflicts damage on the candidate who as of now looks most likely to emerge from the convention as the nominee. So you are getting your licks in when he's got one arm tied up with Hillary and the other with the Republican machine. No Obama supporter can like that situation...
     
  7. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    you mean the same monolithic vote that carried her husband. if blacks only vote for blacks as you keep trying to imply why didn't they "carry" al sharpton. your incessant race card playing is tired and ignorant
     
  8. DonnyMost

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    Weak ad. Completely panders to the 'fry em up' Repubs. No moderates swayed.

    But hey, keep trying.. because in your case..

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  9. Franchise2001

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    Typical Republican fear mongering and demonization of others will not work this election... book it
     
  10. Ottomaton

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    I actually laughed at how weak and how much of a stretch blaming those people's death on Obama was. It is incredibly weak when you compare it with the Willie Horton scare-ad.

    If this is the Republican "big gun" against Obama, you should probably concede defeat right now and save us all some time, T_J. I despise Republican scare tactics, but bring this one back all you want, because it doesn't work.
     
  11. rimrocker

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    Interesting. About that time, there was all kinds of coverage about the Illinois death penalty implementation, leading to enormous pressure on the Illinois Governor to commute all death penalty convictions in Illinois.

    Governor Ryan, a Republican, finally did so in January of 2003, saying:

    "Because the Illinois death penalty system is arbitrary and capricious - and therefore immoral - I no longer shall tinker with the machinery of death."

    http://www.ccadp.org/news-ryan2003.htm

    Here's the timeline:

    http://www.truthinjustice.org/dphistory-IL.htm

    Note that Ryan had suspended all executions in January of 2000 because of serious questions about convictions and possible innocents being executed.

    According to the article TJ posted, it appears Obama was well aware of these questions and acted morally and in concert with a Republican Governor who was elected in part because he supported the death penalty.
     
  12. halfbreed

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    "Typical Republican fear mongering..."

    You do know that this type of politics has been around for a long time and was perfected by Bill Clinton in the mid 1990's right? It's not just a Republican tactic.
     
  13. Bandwagoner

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    the mud machine has yet to be fired up or even dusted off.
     
  14. pgabriel

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    bill clinton perfected fear mongering? how so?
     
  15. halfbreed

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    I meant attack ads. I quoted that because of the "Republican" part but I should have been more clear, you're right.
     
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    The anti-death penalty thing won't make any difference. He's an ultraliberal Dem. Of course he's opposed to the death penalty.

    Now the driver's licenses for illegals is something that will hurt him in the general election. That was what started Hillary's downfall back when Tim Russert asked her about it at one of the debates. The majority of the American public is vehemently opposed to that.
     
  17. bigtexxx

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    hell no the public can't trust Obama to be tough on terror. He's already said he wants to cut and run from Iraq and he wants to sit down and talk with Iran's president, who supports the destruction of Israel. Now why on earth would anybody think Barack would be weak on terror? I'm PERPLEXED
     
  18. Pistol Pete

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    I bet he'd have more class than to use the word you just did to describe a mentally handicapped person.
     
  19. rimrocker

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    We'll see if McCain really means what he says.
     
  20. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    maybe you need to turn your sarcasm meter up
     

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