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Obama's Celebrity/Vanity Compared to Britney and Paris

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by El_Conquistador, Jul 30, 2008.

  1. El_Conquistador

    El_Conquistador King of the D&D, The Legend, #1 Ranking

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    On the heels of The Pretty Senator's Vanity Tour throughout Europe (where he blew off the wounded troops), backlash against Obama's vanity and presumptuous behavior is building. McCain drops the hammer in arguably the most brilliant campaign ad of the election. This ad makes Obama look like a lightweight -- a mindless celebrity in the mold of Britney Spears and Paris Hilton.... the ad sends powerful subliminal messages that Obama is a media creation with no substance. Again, it's a brilliant ad that takes what the Obama camp was a strength (his fake crowds) and turns it around in his face. It recasts the way people look at Obama's marketing campaign, oops, I mean Presidential campaign, and plants seeds of doubt in the minds of independent voters. Everyone is talking about this ad. Everyone.
     
  2. mc mark

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    "You know, I don't pay attention to John McCain's ads, although I do notice he doesn't seem to have anything to say very positive about himself. He seems to only be talking about me. You need to ask John McCain what he's for and not just what he's against" -- Barack Obama
     
  3. DonnyMost

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    Hey jealousy.
     
  4. El_Conquistador

    El_Conquistador King of the D&D, The Legend, #1 Ranking

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    We know what John McCain is for. He has a long history in the Senate. He has experience. He has experience reaching across the aisle and working with Democrats. He has experience bucking George Bush and other Republicans.

    Obama on the other hand, has no experience. Obama does have a lot of words and campaign promotional events. Obama does have quite a bit of media adoration and love-smitted, naive fans (most of them young or new to politics). Obama is not qualified to be President.


    OUCH
     
  5. Major

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    To be fair to McCain, on the few occasions he has tried to talk about his own views recently, he seems to make up geography or say something that contradicts previous statements. It's probably a smart thing for him to not talk about himself.

    As far as the ad goes, I agree with T_J. Everyone IS talking about the ad... mostly in the context of how whiny and desperate the McCain camp looks right now, including by a growing number of Republicans.
     
  6. Rocketman95

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    I'm starting to think that McCain is just trying to screw the Republicans over. He doesn't want to be president, he wants to ruin that party.
     
  7. weslinder

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    Just a horrible ad. It mixes up its points, and the imagery doesn't match the message. Completely ineffectuve. The McCain campaign is like a bad joke.
     
  8. weslinder

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    I'm glad I'm not the only one.
     
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    The impact of offshore drilling will have a limited affect on the price of oil. But then again, there are enough Republicans that are happy to be led by the nose by guys like Trader.
     
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    Yeah, maybe he's getting revenge on being tarred, feathered, soaked in gasoline and set on fire in 2000. Can you blame him?

    Seriously though, that was a truly awful add. How can they not realize it would blow up in his face? McCain's handlers are pure garbage and aren't doing the man justice. I'm also beginning to think McCain himself may be the bigger problem and not just his campaign.
     
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    These two gentlemen just want to say that they are big fans of John McCain and they approved this message.
     
  12. Batman Jones

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    And yet, for all the bravado these million threads seem to suggest, George is still too fraidy cat to put even 6 months of posting where his mouth is.

    Is there anything Chicken George isn't scared of?
     
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    LOL! McCain/Dole 08 as per KingCheetah.
     
  14. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    I work in advertising and everyone is just laughing at how horrible this ad is.

    What on earth was he thinking???? It doesn't make any sense - talk about a disconnect. First of all the conclusion about Obama and more foreign oil isn't credible unless you live under a rug. It's like casting that the ONLY alternative to offshore drilling is importing foreign oil - as if there is no other option.

    I can't believe Americans would believe that.

    And when you attack someone so hard on so many different points:

    Obama would rather win an election than a war
    Obama would rather go to the gym than visit wounded troops
    Obama is responsible for higher gas prices
    Obama will make us more dependent on foreign oil
    Obama is for higher taxes
    Obama is just a celebrity like Paris Hilton


    And that's just since Sunday!!!! Not even one week! People will just start rolling their eyes.

    Number one rule in advertising - focused, emotional message you repeat over and over. Not 6 different messages in a week.

    The McCain campaign needs to find something that actually resonates with voters. A tone, a message, and a consistent approach. Something based on truth and reality - and believable. Something that plays to McCain's strength.

    But also something people truly care about. I mean, something that really connects.

    McCain should cast himself as the guy in touch with the average Joe. That he understand the economy is crap and it's hurting people, and that he has a plan and vision to bring relief - and stimulate the economy. Because that's what people want to hear. He's got to talk about what he's going to do.

    Is Obama in touch with the average Joe? No way. I don't think so. But McCain hasn't exploited it - Hillary learned to late, and I can't believe McCain hasn't gone for Obama's achilles. Just unbelievable.

    If anything Obama right now is demonstrating he's the better man for the job, is campaign is just so much better managed and run.
     
  15. Batman Jones

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    Exactly! And the plan he should prescribe is to marry a beer baroness! Even if you're already married! (Especially if your current wife is neither rich nor as healthy as when you married her!)

    If every average Joe would just do that, the economic crisis would be solved! And we'd all have our own planes!

    Obama got where he is by working hard, in school and in odd jobs. He went to Harvard Law School, yes. But he didn't get there through connections or special favors. He got there by working his ass off in school. He may not be average, but he should be an example to the youth of this country that you can start with virtually nothing and achieve anything. And he has a lot more in common with working people than John McCain, who acquired everything he currently has by ditching his injured wife to marry a rich young heiress.

    The average American was neither born into nor married into an enormous fortune. John and Cindy McCain are the opposite of the "average Joe."
     
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    This response might actually reinforce the idea that Obama is arrogant. Frankly, he does come across as a bit arrogant in my opinion.

    I'm still planning to vote for him, but it would be nice to see a bit more humility.
     
  17. Batman Jones

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    Explain what's arrogant about that quote.

    He is getting hammered with blatant lies constantly.

    McCain said he was responsible for high gas prices for freak's sake! That didn't even make any sense.

    The next day he ran an ad saying both that Obama didn't visit troops because he couldn't bring cameras (although everyone in the traveling press corps said he was NEVER going to bring cameras) and that Obama went to the gym instead of visiting troops (and blurred out the image of him at the gym because the troops were IN it)!

    What is the appropriate, "non-arrogant" response to your opponent repeatedly lying about you, NewYorker? Nasty lies in kind? Obama doesn't roll that way.

    He talks about what he will do instead of lying about his opponent.

    In the bizarro world of our current politics that is "arrogant." I'm not at all surprised that the BBS's NewYorker falls for that BS hook, line and sinker.
     
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    McCain's face at the end there just killed it.

    Should have left it off...
     
  19. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    I don't think Obama should be giving McCain advice - it always comes across as arrogant when you give unsolicited advice - particularlly to an advisary.

    Secondly, Obama DOES pay attention - let's not kid ourselves. And his way of saying he needs to be more positive about himself and stop talking about me - it's a big haughty of a tone. I'm not saying it's not true. But at times, Obama does seem to come across that way, even in the way he has dealt with some democrats.

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0708/11750.html

    I think it would be wise for Obama to be sensitive to this. We suffered 8 years of an arrogant admisitration. I really like Obama, but I'm not a believer or anything like that. And if you want to attack me for stating my personal opinion, that's fine.

    How could he have responded? More honestly. "Of course I pay attention. I know his attacks are untrue and I am trying my best to keep this civil and stay focused on the issues. But I would ask McCain to revisit his pledge earlier on to maintain a civil discourse."
     
  20. Batman Jones

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    How does it come off when you just fricking lie about your "advisary?" Over and over and over again? And when that's the only thing you do? McCain is like Traitor George. He lies over and over, tries to distract you from the actual issues, rinses and repeats, again and again. If you ignore George here, no big deal. If you ignore McCain, you lose. Like Kerry did when he ignored the Swift Boaters. If you address the situation, here or there, the results are the same. You are dragged down to the level of the troll liar. That doesn't make Obama arrogant. It makes him a candidate for president in an environment where the truth doesn't matter. He's doing a pretty darn good job in the face of that.

    I want you to try an honest experiment. Imagine Obama was ten years older, had spent ten more years in Washington and was white. Would he sound haughty then? Answer honestly. Think about it and answer honestly.

    As for those Democrats, they're going to be offended and that's good. They need to be. They need a leader. They have sucked balls for a very, very long time. Bill Clinton inspired the exact same comments when he took the reins of the party.

    If Obama's been anything he's been too sensitive. Too careful. It cracks me up when people say they're not "believers" or they don't think he's The Messiah. He's not pretending to be. That's been thrust on him. But the hilarious thing is when all the people crying "He's not PERFECT!" freak out when he's not perfect. Duh. He's not perfect. He didn't say he was nor did I. He's a damn sight better than McCain though. Try another experiment. Hold McCain to the standard you hold Obama to. If you honestly do this you will blow your own mind.

    That worked out awesome for Kerry.
     

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