He at least wants to delay going back to the moon and the NASA Constellation Program by 5 years. http://cosmiclog.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/11/26/481595.aspx Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama’s education policy is causing a stir … but not all in a good way. Advocates for space exploration are noting with dismay that he’d take billions of dollars from NASA to pay for the educational programs he'd like to expand. The shift from exploration to education came last week when Obama talked up his $18 billion education plan during a New Hampshire campaign swing. Actually, the reference to NASA comes at the end of a 15-page document laying out the details behind the plan (PDF file): "The early education plan will be paid for by delaying the NASA Constellation Program for five years, using purchase cards and the negotiating power of the government to reduce costs of standardized procurement, auctioning surplus federal property, and reducing the erroneous payments identified by the Government Accountability Office, and closing the CEO pay deductibility loophole. ..." The Constellation Program is NASA's $104 billion effort to send astronauts back to the moon in the 2018-2020 time frame, as an initial step toward wider space exploration and settlement. Although the policy paper doesn't lay out the figures, our own First Read political blog said Obama would keep Constellation on a $500 million-per-year maintenance diet during the five-year delay - with the implication that the timeline would be shifted to 2023-2025 for the first 21st-century moon landing. The first years of an Obama administration would be particularly critical for NASA, because that's the time frame during which the shuttle fleet is due to retire. The schedule already calls for the space agency to hitch rides into orbit on other people's spaceships for up to four years, and if Obama follows through that gap could go for years longer - even assuming that Constellation goes into hurry-up mode if and when the budgetary spigots are opened wider. USA Today quoted the Illinois senator as defending his plan to put NASA's vision on hold: "We're not going to have the engineers and the scientists to continue space exploration if we don't have kids who are able to read, write and compute," he said. Over the long Thanksgiving weekend, space activists have had a lot of time to chew over Obama's views - and as you might expect, it's not to their taste. "That would be very destructive," rocket scientist Robert Zubrin, the president of the Mars Society, told me today. "There's so much more we could do for education by having a visionary space program than by just throwing it away into the educational bureaucracy." If anything, the focus of the Constellation Program should be shifted to a more ambitious goal of Martian exploration, Zubrin said. (What else would you expect?) "That would send a message to every young person, saying 'learn your math and science, and you can be part of this important new challenge,'" he said.
The moon is boring anyway....been there, done that. It's just a big ball of cheese anyway. But if it were made of ribs, would ya eat it? It's not a tough question. Just say yes, and we'll move on.
To be fair, manned flight is much, much, much more inefficient - scientifically and budgetarily - than unmanned.
If he did this America would not send a person to space for over 10 years. What do you think that will do to manned spaceflight, Johnson Space Center and Houston? I like the guy but he just lost my vote.
Good, manned spaceflight is a waste of taxpayer dollars that contributes little to the advancement of science. Robots are the way to go.
whats the point of going back to the moon if the future generation doesn't really care anyway. I'm not a big fan of obama but public education is really slipping
not everyone's dad works for NASA (no offense) and the way I read it, its just about man going to the moon.
They will care. They just don't even know. The moon base will capture the world's attention and imagination. The moon in HD will kick ass. Houston will be in the forefront. It will be incredible. <object width="425" height="355"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/Q2fhVnTuxv4&rel=1"></param><param name="wmode" value="transparent"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/Q2fhVnTuxv4&rel=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425" height="355"></embed></object>
Our objectives in space ought to be: 1. To protect us from asteroids. (sounds silly but even tiny ones can be devestating) 2. Use Earth orbits to benefit mankind ie: monitoring climates, nuclear developments, pure research etc 3.The mechanical mining of O3 from the surface of the moon, but you don't even need to do that until you have developed fusion energy into a practical concept. But manned spacefilght to the Moon or Mars is pretty unesscessary. And we will probably destroy this planet a thousand years before we think about colonization of any Earthlike planets. The scale of time and space, the energy budgets required reach the speeds required to cross light years, and the physical limitations of the human body make it fairly unlikely. You can't argue that the techinical innovations derived from going to the moon weren't worth the effort. But I think our best and brightest and our resources need to be focused on solving our energy problems for the forseeable future.
Going back to the moon is NASA. The shuttle program retire in a couple of years. The moon and planetary exploration is all that next for manned space exploration. There is already a few year gap between the shuttle retirement and Constellation program. Obama wants to push it back another 5 years. Thousands of people in Houston are employed by NASA and the Johnson Space Center. It is a big part of Houston's identity.
Moonbase = pure pork barrel patronage like the Alaskan bridge to nowhere. http://www.slate.com/id/2138943/ It's the Earth, Stupid NASA's new budget blows it. By Gregg Easterbrook Posted Wednesday, March 29, 2006, at 12:27 PM ET NASA's next generation spacecraft It's the time of year when the National Aeronautics and Space Administration releases "artist's conceptions" of hotels on the moon or grand expeditions to Mars. Yes, it's NASA budget proposal time, the annual moment when the agency provides the media with neat graphics of stuff unlikely ever to exist—here the Washington Post runs an artist's conception of an imaginary moon SUV. After handing out the pretty pictures, NASA lobbyists troop up to Capitol Hill to request billions for the actual stuff. For at least a decade, it's been clear that the space shuttle program is a clunker. Nonetheless, NASA's funding remains heavy on the shuttle and the space station, while usually slighting science. This year's proposed budget for fiscal 2007 takes the cosmic cake. NASA wants to keep pouring billions of dollars into the shuttle, the space station, and the White House's moon-base project—which benefit no one other than NASA bureaucrats and aerospace contractors—while eliminating many projects to study climate conditions on Earth. That is to say, NASA wants to sustain funds for its white elephants while cutting the programs that could return information of value to taxpayers. At this point, the shuttle exists almost solely to service the space station, while the station exists almost solely to give the space shuttle a destination to fly to. Two space shuttles have exploded on national television. Yet the program drags on owing to the desire of aerospace contractors, and members of Congress who represent shuttle districts, for launches that cost nearly $1 billion each. The shuttle has operated just once since the Columbia loss in February 2003. It may or may not fly in 2006. Most experiments conducted aboard the space station could be done at far less expense by automated probes. "Life science" research on the astronauts themselves is the sole mission that requires people to be present, but even this boils down to billions of dollars spent for astronauts to take each other's blood pressure. As Gar Smith has written, the space station represents "one of the biggest boondoggles since the Pyramids." Despite the dubious rationales for the shuttle and space station, the proposed fiscal 2007 budget fully funds a new round of waste on these programs—about $8 billion, compared with about $5 billion for space probes, Earth study, and study of the distant universe. As for the moon base, for three decades NASA has sent nothing to the moon, not even a robot probe. That's because the Apollo missions found little to suggest that the moon is interesting, except to geology postdocs. Yet the White House has called for construction of a "manned" moon base—there seems no alternative to that phrasing—and the proposed budget includes about $4 billion in initial moon-base funding. The long-term price may be astronomical, as it were. The program cost (construction, launch, servicing, and ground support) for a stripped-down moon base might hit $200 billion, about the cost of a year of the Iraq war. Yet it's unclear what astronauts would do at a moon base, other than survive until their return voyage. A moon base would not be useful for a future Mars expedition—quite the contrary, it would be an obstacle. Any Mars-bound mission would almost certainly depart directly from Earth orbit to the Red Planet; stopping at the moon would be counterproductive in terms of propulsion physics and so dramatically raises the price of Mars flight. (The details are here.) NASA is thinking about a moon base solely because Congress appears gullible enough to fund one. Within the halls of the space agency, the manned-space empire is believed to be in jeopardy. NASA wants to sustain the astronaut corps, even at the cost of pretending a moon base makes sense when every NASA official knows it will be a hole to pour money down. Meanwhile, the proposed budget clobbers programs of tangible value. Hydros, a mission to study soil moisture, would be canceled. At a time when increases in the global agricultural yield are just barely staying ahead of population growth, improving knowledge of our planet's soil moisture seems, oh, 10,000 times more important than paying for astronauts to take samples of the lunar regolith. The NASA budget also delays by years the Global Precipitation Measurement Mission, which would allow precise tracking of rainfall, especially in places where there are now only estimates, such as over the oceans. The most urgent question regarding global warming is whether it will change global rainfall patterns, as this could impact the agricultural production on which the world's food supply is so perilously balanced. Yet NASA wants to postpone a study of the Earth's water cycle in order to free up more money to ferry bottled water to the space station. (Astronauts aboard the station consume nearly half a million dollars' worth of bottled water daily.) Other canceled missions would study water vapor in the atmosphere, monitor deforestation, examine ocean currents, and figure out how much solar heat is reflected back into space by tiny aerosol particles in the atmosphere. These decisions come on the heels of NASA's deep-sixing of a project to place an Earth climate observatory at one of the Lagrange points, the positions in space where the gravity of the Earth and moon are equalized. This recent National Academy of Sciences report excoriates NASA for paying too little attention to Earth observation and for doing relatively little to study the sun, on which, after all, Earth life depends. You might assume that NASA is canceling Earth study missions because the Bush administration does not want environmental data. Yet the projects in question would not yield substantive results until after President George W. Bush leaves office. What's really going on is that NASA holds the taxpayers in contempt. Space agency top management has long clung to an attitude of "We are experts, no one dares question us." And NASA entertains a silly Sci Fi Channel fantasy that its core task lies in deep space, because humanity is already on the verge of discovering the origin of the universe. Earth is low-prestige—too local. As Rep. Sherwood Boehlert, R-N.Y., noted in 2005, NASA "describes Earth science research as being significant to the extent that it informs our knowledge of, and our capability, to explore other planets. This is precisely backwards. The planet that has to matter most to us is the one we live on." Consider that NASA continues to lavish billions on the planned Webb Space Telescope, successor to the existing Hubble Space Telescope, at the same time that the agency has indefinitely postponed Terrestrial Planet Finder. The Webb telescope will look billions of light-years toward the edge of the observable universe, hunting for clues to such questions as how matter was distributed in the epoch immediately following the big bang. It is sure to produce spectacular images of very distant galaxies, plus knowledge of esoteric value—but is highly unlikely to discover anything that will matter to your life or mine. Terrestrial Planet Finder, by contrast, is designed to scan for worlds similar to Earth relatively "nearby," in our region of the Milky Way galaxy. To know whether there is another Earth-like world reasonably close to ours would have immediate relevance. Yet NASA has earmarked about $4.5 billion for the Webb telescope, a gravy train for aerospace contractors plagued by cost overruns, while starving Terrestrial Planet Finder. That the telescope mega-project is named for James Webb, a former NASA bureaucrat, rather than after some great explorer or thinker, says volumes about the agency. What would constitute rational budget priorities for NASA? The agency's first emphasis should be research about Earth and the sun. That's the sole area in which NASA spending is odds-on to produce immediate returns for taxpayers. Second, NASA should fund more automated probes and satellites to study this solar system and close-by star systems—the parts of space that might have some effect on us. Almost all NASA findings since the moon program have come from automated probes such as Cassini, which a few weeks ago discovered what appears to be a water vent on a moon of Saturn. Most probe projects cost less than a single launch of the space shuttle. Third, the agency should cancel the shuttle program and use the funds to research new propulsion systems that might fundamentally reduce the price of access to space. A fundamental propulsion breakthrough must come before grand visions like a Mars mission. Currently NASA is working on a new launcher to replace the shuttle, but that system will be cobbled together from existing engines and hardware and won't notably differ from rockets of the 1960s. Fourth, NASA needs a serious program for searching nearby space for asteroids and comets that might strike Earth and figuring out how to deflect any big rock headed this way. Asteroids and comets large enough to cause devastation may strike Earth distressingly often; for instance, it is believed thousands of people were killed by a smallish space rock that hit China in 1490. (Here is more on the chance of a calamitous comet or asteroid impact.) Even if asteroid and comet strikes only happen in intervals of thousands of years, that doesn't change the chances that a space rock is headed our way right now, in the same sense that a coin coming up heads 10 times in a row has no bearing on what the next flip will produce. If NASA protected Earth against a strike from space, that might be, let's say, the most significant accomplishment in human history. Yet NASA has only a minor program to search for "near-Earth objects" and no program to figure out what to do about them. Preventing comet strikes would give taxpayers a return on their money, and we can't have that! The new budget request suggests that no one in the agency's hidebound, turf-obsessed upper management wants to think about what NASA can do to actually benefit the public.
That's a pretty kickass video But it still doesn't convince me that another trip to the moon should take over the importance of education. Maybe in school they'll actually learn about whats going on with the space flight but they're too busy getting those TAKS scores.
I'm all for NASA but I'm much more for education. It may not be the best decision on earth (no pun intended) but its better than the status quo. We need change.
We sorta spent all our Mars money over in Iraq. We've got $9 trillion dollar deficit and a recession looming. Maybe Obama is making the tough responsible choices.
Well then its time for NASA to change its identity. Look, the Cold War is over. NASA doesn't get ridiculously large budgets that are equal to the GDP of some third world countries. They have to make priorities now and manned exploration generates far less in terms of research value and on top of that it is much more expensive. Johnson Space Center isn't going to die if we delay a moon landing or manned flight. There are still tons of other things to do and wasting billions of dollars inefficiently can't be justified to "save Houston's identity" or thousands of jobs. The reality is that funding needs to be used wisely. Also, I agree with whoever posted about asteroids. That's a pretty damn big deal, NASA would be wise to put more effort into tracking asteroids and developing contingency plans. Lastly, this is all moot anyway, I can guarantee that the constellation program won't even be cut anyway. All the representatives from Houston, democrat and republican, have fought tooth and nail over the space program in the past and have always gotten their way. Dont see how this would be any different.
Disclosure: I used to work for NASA/JSC contractors. Manned space exploration is very expensive and is not about space or science exploration. It has more to do with the historical, political, and cultural momentum of having Air Force jocks running the show (and of course they are going to think that exploring space without a human pilot is nonsensical.) What we need is the next shuttle, whose primary purpose is servicing the space station. If we really want to make manned flight to Mars, we need a revolutionary drive to get us to Mars in days not months. And I am still not for it, since unmanned missions have a fraction of the cost of projected manned missions.
