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Obama: Relationship with Wright not the same anymore

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by ymc, Apr 29, 2008.

  1. ymc

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    Should have done this much earlier. But then it is better late than never. It is also a good news for you Obama-ites, you don't need to spin for this racist Wright any more. ;)

    Obama says he's outraged by former pastor's comments

    By MIKE GLOVER, Associated Press Writer 49 minutes ago

    WINSTON-SALEM, N.C. - Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama said Tuesday he was outraged by the latest divisive comments from his former pastor and rejected the notion that he secretly agrees with him.


    Obama is seeking to tamp down the growing fury over Rev. Jeremiah Wright and his incendiary remarks that threaten to undermine his campaign at a tough time. The Illinois senator is coming off a loss in Pennsylvania to rival Hillary Rodham Clinton and trying to win over white working-class voters in Indiana and North Carolina in next Tuesday's primaries.

    "I am outraged by the comments that were made and saddened by the spectacle that we saw yesterday," Obama told reporters at a news conference.

    After weeks of staying out of the public eye while critics lambasted his sermons, Wright made three public appearances in four days to defend himself. The former pastor of Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago has been combative, providing colorful commentary and feeding the story Obama had hoped was dying down.

    On Monday, Wright criticized the U.S. government as imperialist and stood by his suggestion that the United States invented the HIV virus as a means of genocide against minorities. "Based on this Tuskegee experiment and based on what has happened to Africans in this country, I believe our government is capable of doing anything," he said.

    And perhaps even worse for Obama, Wright suggested that the church congregant secretly concurs.

    "If Senator Obama did not say what he said, he would never get elected," Wright said. "Politicians say what they say and do what they do based on electability, based on sound bites, based on polls."

    Obama stated flatly that he doesn't share the views of the man who officiated at his wedding, baptized his two daughters and been his pastor for 20 years. The title of Obama's second book, "The Audacity of Hope," came from a Wright sermon.

    "What became clear to me is that he was presenting a world view that contradicts who I am and what I stand for," Obama said. "And what I think particularly angered me was his suggestion somehow that my previous denunciation of his remarks were somehow political posturing. Anybody who knows me and anybody who knows what I'm about knows that I am about trying to bridge gaps and I see the commonality in all people."

    In a highly publicized speech last month, Obama sharply condemned Wright's remarks. But he did not leave the church or repudiate the minister himself, who he said was like a family member.

    On Tuesday, Obama sought to distance himself further from Wright.

    "I have been a member of Trinity United Church of Christ since 1992, and have known Reverand Wright for 20 years," Obama said. "The person I saw yesterday was not the person that I met 20 years ago."

    Obama said he heard that Wright had given "a performance" and when he watched news accounts, he realized that it more than just a case of the former pastor defending himself.

    "His comments were not only divisive and destructive, I believe they end up giving comfort to those who prey on hate," Obama said. "I'll be honest with you, I hadn't seen it" when reacting initially on Monday, he said.

    Wright had asserted that criticism of his fiery sermons was an attack on the black church. Obama rejected that notion.

    Obama said his earlier mild reaction came because he gave him the benefit of the doubt, but that evaporated when he saw Wright's speech. Wright's comments may well have severed the relationship.

    "He has done great damage, I do not see that relationship being the same," said Obama.


    "What became clear to me was that he was presenting a world view that contradicts what I am and what I stand for," Obama said.

    Wright recently retired from the church. He became an issue in Obama's presidential bid when videos circulated of Wright condemning the U.S. government for allegedly racist and genocidal acts. In the videos, some several years old, Wright called on God to "damn America." He also said the government created the AIDS virus to destroy "people of color."

    Obama said he didn't vet his pastor before deciding to seek the presidency. He said he was particularly distressed that the furor has been a distraction to the purpose of a campaign.

    "I gave him the benefit of the doubt in my speech in Philadelphia explaining that he's done enormous good. ... But when he states and then amplifies such ridiculous propositions as the U.S. government somehow being involved in AIDS. ... There are no excuses. They offended me. They rightly offend all Americans and they should be denounced."
     
  2. robbie380

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    really obama? you just realized this now as it came to a head in the media? riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. :rolleyes:
     
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    Really, robbie? You think Obama "agrees" that the government created the AIDS virus?

    riiiiiiight.
     
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    "I gave him the benefit of the doubt in my speech in Philadelphia explaining that he's done enormous good. ... But when he states and then amplifies such ridiculous propositions as the U.S. government somehow being involved in AIDS. ... There are no excuses. They offended me. They rightly offend all Americans and they should be denounced."

    I think Obama did ease the condemnation of Wright initially, because of the strong relationship,...i.e. the 20 years, the marriage, baptism, etc.,...but this latest comments should have happened then instead of now because Obama forgot this man was capable of spewing what he did, and forgot he could do it again...

    After 20 years, he should have known...

    What Rev. Wright did was introduce an uncertainty on what Obama really believes...If Rev. Wright is Obama's friend,...who needs enemies?
     
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    I have a hard time buying that Obama actually agreed with Wright's more extreme statements but that he discounted the political damage that can come from Wright.

    My guess is Obama figured early Wright wouldn't be much of an issue and when Wright did he figured he could handle it with a speech, Wright would quietly retire and he could move on with the campaign. Now that it looks like Wright isn't going to quietly go away Obama is forced to take a even stronger stand.

    This situation only reinforces why I have been leery of Obama. He is a phenomenal speaker with a great story but something like this he should've realized was going to be a problem. We all know Clinton has some big flaws but many of those have already been aired out.

    The one good thing for Obama is that he is finally telling Wright to shut up now instead of letting this linger into the general.
     
  6. ymc

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    Wright has a huge ego. He won't let it go now that Obama returned fire.

    Let's grab some pop-corns and watch how this unfolds. :cool:
     
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    Like the fact that she's a habitual liar?

    Obama should have known his pastor was going to mouth off, that's his personality. I'll admit that this doesn't look good for his people reading skills when he's running for the biggest people reading skills job in the country.

    I really don't want to vote McCain...
     
  8. pgabriel

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    I think Obama was just trying to be respectful. I think the one thing Obama can say is that if Wright's going to go out and try to say what Obama thinks, he has to cut ties. That goes beyond the issue of Wright's comments, its down right unfair and really you have to start to wonder what wright's agenda is.
     
  9. rocketsjudoka

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    Actually yes. The Clintons are somewhat immune from huge hits on their character as its almost expected that they shade the truth and go negative.

    This is part of why experience and a long public vetting process matters. Everyone knows what Clinton's flaws are but we are still discovering Obama's.

    He should've but IMO that goes to political inexperience of dealing with the national media and preparing for such a hard fought campaign. He's done a good job of setting up a great organization but the Wright thing he should've seen coming.

    As for whether you want to vote for McCain let me make a radical proposal.
    Vote for the candidate that you agree with on the issues rather than the personality.
     
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    no i don't but you are nieve if you think that rev. wright just started saying that kind of stuff and never said anything like it before in the 2 decades that he has known and preached to obama. i watched that original sermon that made people mad where he was ripping america for hypocrisy (and not undeservingly) so i don't just look at the guy and dismiss him. he is correct to state americans have done some some horrible things but we have also done some great things.

    either way the guy is a radical and to say that obama is just now hearing this kind of radical (but somewhat accepted conspiracy theory among more radical african americans) stuff is absurd. he is just now reacting to it because he is running for president and his connection to rev. wright is going to destroy his campaign if he can't distance himself immediately. it's looking like it may be too late.

    on a side note i would be intrigued to see what percentage of american blacks agree with rev. wrights recent statements. i know there is obvious and deserved distrust of the american government among american blacks but i would be curious to see how much of the urban legend side of things has got into american black beliefs.
     
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    that is something i wonder as well now that you bring it up.
     
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    you can judge a man by how he behaves behind closed doors - when nobody is watching. Obama was in Wright's pews....until the media shone the light on him.....only then did he show any kind of outrage. damage control in full effect from BO
     
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    I have a very hard time buying the story that Obama did not know that Wright was such a wingnut years ago.

    Obama probably thought that Wright could be part of the campaign, and he would be relatively quiet, and not cause a political stir. That did not happen.

    Now Wright's feelings are hurt, and he is going to continuously pipe up.

    Wright was Obama's spiritual advisor, rather than a political advisor. Sure. I guess. Keep in mind that one's sense of spirituality often influences how they view the world. It helps define how a person values the rightness, wrongness, and oughtness of things. It should not be ignored. It should not be overanalyzed, but not ignored either.
     
  14. ymc

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    By going this route, Obama is trying to keep his me-no-politician aura. I think by pretending to be something he is not, he will be bitten in the rear later.
     
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    Says the man who frequents strip clubs.
     
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    there are reports that a Clinton support set-up the interviews with Wright. Nice politics clinton.

    Sad to see Clinton work with McCain to get rid of Obama. Kinda scary actually. Maybe Wright is right about a few things and Blacks are still marginalized in this society and this election is proving it out.

    A black man as president? White America isn't ready for it and it's not because Obama is an elitist.
     
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    Get real. The bulk of Obama's support is from white America. Look at the crowds that come out to see and support Obama -- it's racially well-mixed. Let's look at issues -- not skin color.

    As far as the elitist issue, it would not have come up had not Obama said it. All candidates make stupid mistakes.
     
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    Definition of backpedaling.
     
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    Obama's never pretended not to be a politician. He has only promised to practice a different sort of politics, which he has done. If he hadn't, Clinton would have been truly "vetted" by now. (I love how "vetted" has come to mean put through the ringer to see how much we can squeeze out of the tiniest thing about a candidate.)

    We have heard zero about cattle futures, Whitewater, impeachment or any of the other various old Clinton scandals during this campaign. And we have heard precious little about sniper fire (pretty much exactly zero from Obama), Hillary's lie about Chelsea on 9/11 or where the mysterious millions came from to fund the Clinton Foundation. You can rest assured that if Hillary manages to steal the nomination we will hear plenty about all of that in the general election right after she nastily divides the party and right before she loses.
     
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    Is there any proof(or links) to support this?
     

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