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Obama plans quick move to close Gitmo

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by s land balla, Jan 12, 2009.

  1. s land balla

    s land balla Member

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    I don't know if this should be in the D&D because I don't see how anyone could disagree with Obama on this issue.

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    President-elect Barack Obama is planning to move as early as his first week in office to close the U.S. military prison at Guantanamo Bay to try and show a dramatic break from the Bush administration's approach to the war on terror, according to two officials close to the transition.

    One of the officials said it would be in keeping with Obama's campaign promise to shut down the prison through executive order, a move which was also pushed by last year's Republican presidential nominee, Sen. John McCain of Arizona.

    "The President-elect has repeatedly said the legal framework at Gitmo has failed to successfully and swiftly prosecute terrorists," said one of the officials close to the transition, who was not authorized to speak publicly about private deliberations.
     
  2. Master Baiter

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    Good. That place is a black eye for America.
     
  3. pirc1

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    If they are guilty lock them up and throw away the keys (or just shoot them). If they are not, release them, although I have a strong suspicion that many of them will be against us and take up arms even they weren't before. Hell, just kill them all. :p
     
  4. Invisible Fan

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    What is he going to do with all those known criminals and badasses who are stuck in legal limbo? One would be to stuff them at a barge in international waters. Another is to send them here and give them Constitutional rights. Or maybe we can ship them to Iraq....
     
  5. pirc1

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    You forgot Syria!
     
  6. bucket

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    "America is great because she is good. If America ceases to be good, America will cease to be great."
    -Alexis de Tocqueville

    "...the true strength of our nation comes not from the might of our arms or the scale of our wealth, but from the enduring power of our ideals: democracy, liberty, opportunity and unyielding hope."
    -Barack Obama

    It's time we got some credibility back.
     
  7. Bogey

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    Tell that to Jack Bauer, he saves lives. :D
     
  8. weslinder

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    I predict that they either stay at Gitmo, or, more likely, get sent to some other legal limbo prison with similar issues. Goodbye Cuba, hello Mariana Islands.
     
  9. insane man

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    greenwald
     
  10. Mr. Clutch

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    I read that countries wont accept them back.
     
  11. fmullegun

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    "closing" probably is defined as not accepting new prisoners.


    I doubt we actually let killers just walk free or give up that real estate.
     
  12. Mr. Clutch

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    I think they will put a giant "For Sale" sign on the front.
     
  13. fmullegun

    fmullegun Contributing Member

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    they cannot sell what they lease. They might be able to sublet it but they would have to check the paper work and pay an extra $100 deposit.
     
  14. OddsOn

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    America is the greatest nation the world has ever known. Because of our Christian faith we are more giving, more compassionate and more tolerant. But its "game on" once people start bombing our buildings and flying planes into them.

    Hang'em high by the neck until they are dead; is what I say and make them eat pig entrails before we do...
     
  15. Air Langhi

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    The founding father's weren't really Christian, and Jesus would not be all too happy with your attitude either. I saw if they are innocent we let them go. If they are terrorist let a jury decide what to do with them, Confessions received by torture should be thrown out.
     
  16. Northside Storm

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    huh...really

    maybe rereading or reading some scripture should be warranted in your case. and that's not even given the amount of people who may be innocent.

     
  17. bucket

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    Is it even worth responding to this idiocy? At the very least, I'll point out that many of these detainees haven't even been charged with any crime.

    I'm starting to think that your moronic postings are some sort of NewYorker-style experiment.
     
  18. Major

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    Here's an example of 17 innocent detainees that were forced to be released by the courts - after we knew they were innocent but still refused to release them. But I guess they were only held for 7 years, so no big deal.

    http://ccrjustice.org/newsroom/pres...-release-17-innocent-guantanamo-detainees-u.s.

    Court Orders Release of 17 Innocent Guantanamo Detainees into U.S.


    October 7, 2008, New York – Today, for the first time, a federal court ordered the release into the United States of 17 innocent Uighur men who have been imprisoned at Guantánamo Bay for nearly seven years. The men are refugees who would face persecution and imprisonment, if not death, if returned to their native China.

    “In the history of our Republic, the military never imprisoned any man so harshly, and for so long, let alone men who are not the enemy. We have broken faith with the rule of law, and been untrue to the generosity of spirit that is our national character,” said Sabin Willett, Partner at Bingham McCutchen who argued the case for the detainees today.

    “This is a historic day for the U.S. Finally, we are beginning the process of taking responsibility for our mistakes and fixing them,” said CCR Attorney Emi MacLean. “For years, the United States has begged other countries to clean up the mess we made in Guantanamo, but the hypocrisy of this appeal was evident abroad. Perhaps now other countries will be less reluctant to come to our aid.” MacLean continued, “Allowing these wrongfully detained men a fresh start would also provide the U.S. a fresh start – an opportunity to turn a page and finally take a position of leadership in closing Guantanamo.”

    Religious and community leaders from both Tallahassee, Florida and the Washington D.C. area offered to the court detailed plans for the support of the men, from housing and counseling to employment and car insurance. In this stunning show of goodwill and solidarity, 20 leaders from faith-based communities in Tallahassee, Florida, and a network of refugee resettlement agencies and other religious groups, have pledged to help settle the men in local communities. Many members of the Uighur community came to court today to lend support.

    Said Mr. Willett, “The volunteers who come to court today from church and community, from synagogue and mosque to offer sanctuary to these men bear true faith to that character, and give us hope that the better angel of our nature can yet return.”

    On the day of the hearing, Congressmen Bill Delahunt (D-MA) and Dana Rohrabacher (R-CA) also reiterated their June call for the U.S. to grant protection to the imprisoned Uighurs.

    The 17 men currently imprisoned at Guantanamo left China amid increasing political oppression and found their way to Afghanistan, where they lived in small Uighur communities. In late 2001, they were forced to flee the aerial bombardment of the surrounding areas. Eventually, they made their way to Pakistan in the belief that they would be safer there. After crossing into Pakistan, the Uighurs were welcomed and fed by Pakistani villagers who then turned them over for generous bounties offered by the United States.

    Last week, after years of litigation, the U.S. government finally conceded that none of these men would be treated as “enemy combatants.” All were cleared for release long ago. However, because of the stigma of their detention at Guantánamo and for fear of offending China, no other country had agreed to offer these men safe haven. Despite this failure to find a third country to take them, the government argued that the court could not release them into the U.S. and, therefore, that the men would have to stay at Guantanamo indefinitely.

    Click here for more information on the Uighurs’ story. Additionally, use this link to learn about CCR's filing of Kiyemba v. Bush.

    CCR has led the legal battle over Guantanamo for the last six years – sending the first ever habeas attorney to the base and sending the first attorney to meet with a former CIA “ghost detainee.” CCR has been responsible for organizing and coordinating more than 500 pro bono lawyers across the country in order to represent the men at Guantanamo, ensuring that nearly all have the option of legal representation. CCR represented the detainees with co-counsel in the most recent argument before the Supreme Court in 2007.
     
  19. fmullegun

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    anyone want to bet there will still be prioners there in 2010?

    I say there will be.
     
  20. arkoe

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    Maybe they will all be moved to Mitgo.
     

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