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Obama: Mental Distress Can't Justify Late Abortion

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by MadMax, Jul 4, 2008.

  1. MadMax

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    So after Roe v. Wade, you can't have an abortion past the first trimester UNLESS the health of the mother is in jeopardy. Seems reasonable. But it's been interpreted by the courts that the health of the mother is affected when she's stressed about being a new mom....or stressed about being able to afford care for the child...etc. So essentially it's become so soft as to be rendered meaningless. I've harped on that quite a bit here in the past. I'm encouraged by Obama's take here. He's suggesting there needs to be some standard more definitive...more concrete.

    It's not that I wish to have the debate again. Because we've had it here a kazillion times. It's that I find his take on this to be intellectually honest. That if you're going to have a prohibition it can't be whisked away by a doctor saying, "well i performed the abortion past the first trimester because she was really upset."

    http://apnews.myway.com/article/20080703/D91MKQ681.html

    Obama: Mental distress can't justify late abortion

    Jul 3, 6:01 PM (ET)

    By JIM KUHNHENN

    WASHINGTON (AP) - Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama says "mental distress" should not qualify as a health exception for late term-abortions, a key distinction not embraced by many supporters of abortion rights.

    In an interview this week with "Relevant," a Christian magazine, Obama said prohibitions on late-term abortions must contain "a strict, well defined exception for the health of the mother."

    Obama then added: "Now, I don't think that 'mental distress' qualifies as the health of the mother. I think it has to be a serious physical issue that arises in pregnancy, where there are real, significant problems to the mother carrying that child to term."

    Last year, after the Supreme Court upheld a federal ban on late-term abortions, Obama said he "strongly disagreed" with the ruling because it "dramatically departs form previous precedents safeguarding the health of pregnant women."

    The health care exception is crucial to abortion rights advocates and is considered a legal loophole by abortion opponents. By limiting the health exception to a "serious physical issue," Obama set himself apart from other abortion rights proponents.

    The official position of NARAL Pro-Choice America, the abortion rights group that endorsed Obama in May, states: "A health exception must also account for the mental health problems that may occur in pregnancy. Severe fetal anomalies, for example, can exact a tremendous emotional toll on a pregnant woman and her family."

    The 1973 landmark abortion case, Roe v. Wade, established a right to an abortion, and a concurrent case, Doe v. Bolton, established that medical judgments about the need for an abortion could include physical, emotional and psychological health factors.

    "Senator Obama has consistently maintained that laws restricting abortions must contain exceptions for the health and life of the mother," Obama spokesman Tommy Vietor said Thursday. "Obviously, as he stated in the interview, he has consistently believed those exceptions should be clear and limited enough to ensure that they don't undermine the prohibition on late-term abortions."

    In a statement, NARAL Pro-Choice said Obama's magazine interview is consistent with Roe v. Wade.

    "Sen. Obama has consistently said he supports the tenets set forth by Roe, and has made strong statements against President Bush's Federal Abortion Ban, which does not have an exception to protect a woman's health," the organization's statement said.

    A leading abortion opponent, however, said Obama's rhetoric does not match his voting record and his previously stated views on abortion rights.

    David N. O'Steen, the executive director of National Right to Life, said Obama's remarks to the magazine "are either quite disingenuous or they reflect that Obama does not know what he is talking about."

    "You cannot believe that abortion should not be allowed for mental health reasons and support Roe v Wade," O'Steen said.

    In the interview with Relevant, conducted on Tuesday, Obama also defended his opposition to restrictions on induced abortions where the fetus sometimes survives for short periods. Obama voted against such a bill when he was in the Illinois Senate. He has said he supported a federal version of the law that contained more specific language because he feared the Illinois proposal would have applied to all abortions.

    "There was a bill that came up in Illinois that was called the 'Born Alive' bill that purported to require life-saving treatment to such infants. And I did vote against that bill," Obama said Tuesday. "The reason was that there was already a law in place in Illinois that said that you always have to supply life-saving treatment to any infant under any circumstances, and this bill actually was designed to overturn Roe v. Wade, so I didn't think it was going to pass constitutional muster."
     
  2. KingCheetah

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    If mom to be is stressed enough about her new baby to have a late term abortion then she should just have the kid and give it up for adoption.

    There are plenty of good families out there waiting to adopt.
     
  3. Bandwagoner

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    totally disagree with this stance.

    it makes no sense to me
    situation one : mothers kidneys would fail if she continues and gives birth
    killing the baby = legal

    Sit two: mother would be depressed for years after the birth
    killing the baby = illegal


    I guess it is just another example of our culture not acceptingmental illness as a valid disease.
     
  4. finalsbound

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    I don't understand. It seems like a mother would be more "depressed for years" if a baby was aborted instead of being given up for adoption.

    My mom had an abortion 25 years ago and it has haunted to to this day.
     
  5. thumbs

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    One factor that few seem to give any heed is that of the father's rights in an abortion. The child is a part of him too.
     
  6. moestavern19

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    Wrong.

    Its another example of our culture not accepting responsibility for its own actions.
     
  7. Bandwagoner

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    Oh I'm sorry, the fact your mom told you how she feels about a subject means that is exactly how all other women will feel. You should call the APA and let them know.
     
  8. finalsbound

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    BTW, love Relevant Magazine. I'll definitely be picking up this issue.
     
  9. giddyup

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    At least you are frank about it!
     
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    YUP, cause she's the only one who's ever had post-abortion syndrome. Right.

    She worked at a Crisis Pregnancy Center for a few years and counseled hundreds of girls/women who had the same problem.
     
  11. Bandwagoner

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    if only we tought abstinance in schools all this could be avoided huh?

    Dang those democrats!!!1!
     
  12. GladiatoRowdy

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    I disagree with you. My wife was severely depressed after the birth of our second son, but depression is very treatable and rarely threatens the life of the mother, as kidney failure would. If the choice is between the life of the mother and the "life" of the fetus, the woman should have the ability to make that choice.
     
  13. Bandwagoner

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    OH crap!

    more evidence of how all women feel!! dude call them up!
     
  14. GladiatoRowdy

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    But the woman is using her body to feed the fetus. At that point, it is her body, her choice. The man had a choice to use birth control or not. Once he leaves his semen inside the woman, it becomes her choice, not his.
     
  15. giddyup

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    Since when do feelings rule the day? That's called vigilantism. Quick, someone call Heaven and lets see how all the dead babies feel. There are millions.
     
  16. moestavern19

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    Its funny how quickly you resorted to sarcarm instead of debating the topic rationally.

    Continue being a d******d though.

    Its really convincing.
     
  17. giddyup

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    It worked for me!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D
     
  18. GladiatoRowdy

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    If only we freely gave out birth control in schools all this could be avoided, huh?

    Dang those republicans!!!1!
     
  19. Bandwagoner

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    my uncle has been on kidney dialysis for 25 years, kidney failure is very treatable.
     
  20. GladiatoRowdy

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    Depression != kidney failure. One is always life threatening and the other threatens one's life only in extremely rare circumstances.
     

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