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Obama is driving Houston oil companies to move to Switzerland

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by bigtexxx, Dec 19, 2008.

  1. bigtexxx

    bigtexxx Member

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    A string of Houston based oil companies are moving to Switzerland. Weatherford, Noble and Transocean have all set up HQ in Switzerland. This just goes to show that if you threaten to penalize success, these guys will just pack up shop and go elsewhere. I don't blame them. They're getting out before Obama is inaugurated and starts screwing around with their taxes.

    This is what happens when we keep raising the taxes on corporations. It sounds great to say, "Well, we'll just pay for this by taxing the big corporations that are making all of these profits", but nobody things about the possible consequences.

    http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/6173882.html

    Noble Corp. plans to move head office to Switzerland

    By BRETT CLANTON Copyright 2008 HOUSTON CHRONICLE
    Dec. 19, 2008, 2:25PM
    Noble Corp. today became the latest in a recent string of Houston oil and gas firms to announce plans to move their corporate headquarters to Switzerland, a change experts said is cheifly for tax purposes.

    The world’s second largest offshore drilling contractor, now incorporated in the Cayman Islands and run from Sugar Land, said its board has approved the change, and now will put the proposal to shareholders and the Cayman courts.

    Noble Chairman and Chief Executive Officer David Williams cited Switzerland’s “stable commercial and financial environment and its well-established tax regime” as a motivation for the change, which could take place by early 2009.

    But the company is still evaluating whether the move is in the best interests of the firm and its shareholders, and if any employees would be relocated to Switzerland, he said in a statement.

    “If we conclude that relocation is appropriate, we could begin to move personnel at any time, either before or after we conclude the transaction,” he said.

    The announcement came the same day Transocean, the world’s largest offshore driller, completed the process of changing its incorporation from the Cayman Islands to Switzerland. With the change, CEO Robert Long and other top officers will leave Houston to run the company from a new European headquarters.

    Last week, Houston oil field services giant Weatherford International announced plans to reincorporate in Switzerland and move its CEO, Bernard J. Duroc-Danner, and other top officers there. Shareholders have not yet approved the change.

    And other companies, including Tyco International and construction firm Foster Wheeler, have also recently announced plans to reincorporate in Switzerland.

    Chiefly, the moves are designed to preserve tax benefits the companies enjoyed from being domiciled in countries like Bermuda and the Cayman Islands with favorable corporate tax rules, said Pierre Conner, an industry analyst with Capital One Southcoast in New Orleans.

    “Now, what we’re finding is those companies feel there are better tax protection in Switzerland than in these countries,” he said. “So they’re going ahead and making another step to protect the current tax structures that they have,” Conner said.

    Noble, which moved its incorporation from Delaware to the Cayman Islands, currently has an effective tax rate of about 19 percent, said Angie Sedita, industry analyst with Macquarie Capital, in a note to investors today.

    Lawmakers have threatened to close tax loopholes that allow U.S. companies to benefit from incorporating in offshore tax havens while operating from the U.S. But Switzerland has tax treaties with the U.S. that would protect companies even if the laws change.

    “Incorporating in Switzerland should ensure the same tax advantages,” Sedita said.

    In addition, the move will put Noble closer to a faster-growing customer base in the eastern hemisphere, where more than half of its revenue comes from today.

    Last year, Houston oil field services firm Halliburton Co. cited similar reasons for establishing a dual headquarters in Dubai and moving CEO Dave Lesar there.

    Noble has about 6,000 employees worldwide, with roughly 300 at an operational headquarters in Sugar Land.

    The company has 63 drilling rigs in its fleet, second only to Transocean. Of these, eight are currently deployed in the U.S. Gulf of Mexico; the remainder are in other markets, including Mexico, Brazil, West Africa, the North Sea and the Middle East.

    Regardless of what happens with the headquarters, “our division offices will continue to operate as they do today, with support from centralized services located in Sugar Land,” Noble spokesman John Breed said.

    Today, analysts also mentioned Nabors Industries, the world’s largest land driller, as another likely candidate for reincorporating in Switzerland given that its current headquarters is in Bermuda.

    But a spokesman for the company, which is also run from Houston, was traveling and not available for comment.

    brett.clanton@chron.com
     
  2. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    so these companies who had already moved to the cayman's predicted obama's election
     
  3. MadMax

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    Did Bush push Halliburton out?
     
  4. pgabriel

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    A customer of mine and I discussed this yesterday. Not a surprise. Let 'em go. My business depends a lot on these specific oil companies mentioned, but I say slam the door on their behinds as they leave.
     
  6. mc mark

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    Hopefully after they’re gone, their lobbyists will go with them and they won't be able to influence US politics anymore.

    Can they take Cheney with them?

    Oh I forgot, if he went there, he'd be arrested for war crimes.

    oh well...
     
  7. DonnyMost

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    How patriotic of them!
     
  8. fmullegun

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    io wanna go
     
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    you really think these companies care about our economy anyway?
     
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    I didn't know Noble and TransOcean were 'oil' companies. :rolleyes: Its a tax move, and you can't blame them for looking out for the long term interest of the company. Its not like they are not going to have a US presence and move everybody to Switzerland. Both companies will still have offices in Houston.
     
  11. wesnesked

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    Probably not, its not like the majority of thier offshore operations occur in the GOM (Gulf of Mexico, for those in the know)
     
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    Switzerland is a great place. I can't blame them. Have you ever eaten chocolates?
     
  13. updawg

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    Bigtexxx talking business is like old people having sex
     
  14. bigtexxx

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    What scares me is people who make completely ignorant, worthless comments like this vote in elections.

    These companies provide many jobs to the area that greatly benefit the economy. Think, people, think.
     
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    A country's policies should not be beholden to corporations. Apparently they are more interested in making profit than doing what is good for the country. Thats fine, they are a business after all. Just dont let the door hit you on your way out.
     
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    What kind of drilling and rig companies are they, hmmm? O-I-L. I'm well aware of the "what" and "why" involved here, the recent mergers, blah blah blah.
     
  17. bigtexxx

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    Should a country's policies be beholden to the economy?
     
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    Corporations don't necessarily care about the benefits they bring to society in general...the beautiful thing about capitalism is that these benefits are still brought to fruition even though no one really intends them to happen.

    eh the door is closing on them anyways. A bad blow. But it's obvious that American corporations are not beholden to America and this will be expected...hopefully Obama holds his word with the "massive infrastructure" and green power upgrades as well as stern efforts to stop the outsourcing of American jobs, that would undoubtedly counter the jobs a couple of oil companies moving out would lose.
     
  19. orbb

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    Oil companies are NOT the economy. They are welcome to participate in it though. Thankfully we have an incoming prez who realizes human potential forms as much of of a country's REAL wealth as company bottomlines do.
     
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    Yeah, I was gonna say, oil companies=economy is a logical fallacy, if you're going to change macroeconomic policies based on the short-term moves of some corporations...that's just, well, dumb.
     

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