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NYU Professor: Billionaire tax is the worst idea ever

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  1. tinman

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    @Os Trigonum

    Aswath Damodaran, NYU Stern School of Business

    https://www.city-journal.org/billionaire-tax-will-not-work

    Ultimately, this is a wealth tax—albeit on incremental, not total, wealth. The administration’s effort to avoid using the words “wealth taxes” to describe this proposal is sophistry. Put simply, this proposal favors people with inherited wealth who are invested in non-traded assets and mature businesses and hurts people invested in publicly traded equities in growth companies, many of which they have started and shepherded to success. If that is the message that the tax law writers want to send, they should have the decency to be up front about it.
     
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    My feeling is that billionaires don't need non-billionaires to defend them, they have enough access to lawmakers and such to take care of themselves.
     
  3. tinman

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    he's not defending them. watch the video. he's saying the law is not a good idea because the billionaires can do A, B, C, D, E, F, G

    Let's say I got 1 billion dollars in Clutchfans stock, you want to tax me cause I'm richer than you, you pass that law
    I sell my shares before your law goes in affect. I get the cheaper tax rate and move my money in real estate.
    what are you going to do now? Raise property tax now to get my money? that's going to take awhile and that's going to affect everybody. I'm not going to buy one house for 1 billion dollars. I'm going to buy lots of homes, rent them all out and make money that way.

    Guess who owns Amazon and Tesla?? EVERYBODY WHO HAS A MUTUAL FUND.
    Guess who gets screwed if their stocks go down?
     
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    Lol. Bless Tinman. So worried about his heroes the billionaires. At least the NYU prof will get paid one way or another for his piece.
     
  5. tinman

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    People who don’t understand what this professor says obviously failed economics

    it’s like trying to teach a chicken how to speak Spanish


    @Os Trigonum
     
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    @Os Trigonum
    Put out an article that a whole bunch of billionaires sold before the end of the year .

    I doubt it was coordinated like two Nigerians pretending to attack a gay actor

    this video was by CNBC which is channel that talks about economics
    But nobody knows this
     
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    Tinman publicizing that the only things he knows about taxes is that he doesn't understand them
    as it relates to taxes, Tinman needs to heed Abe Lincoln's sage words.

    Best to remain silent and be thought of as a fool
    than to speak to remove all doubt​
     
  8. tinman

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    This for people who understand math

     
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    but in the scenario you just outlined, the billionaires just paid tax.

    I don't think billionaires should be taxed on the value of their stock until it is realized. The reason being that selling stock in a company can affect its share price and hurt main street investors. So you have to be careful to providing incentives for billionaires to sell shares.

    but you are wrong that they would sell just to avoid the tax next year - because ultimately they would lose control of their company if they sold all their shares to avoid the tax.
     
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    from the professor's article

    this proposal has the effect of
    • micro-targeting the top 1.7% of the people for tax hike, meaning that
      • it will not be increasing the tax burden on the lower 98.3% of the people
    :rolleyes:
    this tax proposal is effectively to bring back the Alternative Minimum Tax (AMT) that was eliminated by Trump's tax cut in 2017.

    AMT was effectively a wealth tax, but the professor had never written an article to criticize this wealth tax. why this article now?



    fwiw,

    the professor earned his PhD in Finance from UCLA, has been a professor of Finance at NYU for over a decade.
    He has been recognized as an expert in valuation ( of a company, of a stock, of a project, of a product, etc.)​
     
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    The professor just put all reasons in the videos with graphs and spreadsheets

    this isn’t why I think it’s bad. Hence I noted it was the NYU professor

    what I say is the Bernie Sanders cult are dumb losers
     
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    Billionaire tax IS a dumb idea. But this argument is also dumb. 90% of the stock market is owned by the top 10%. So while lots of people would lose money, the vast majority would lose very little. And this assumes that the tax would cause billionaires to liquidate a lot of their holdings, which isn't really the case - because ultimately owning stocks is more profitable and more liquid than owning real estate.
     
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    Can anyone you get into NYU ?
     
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    You can make smart real estate deals be a landlord for residential or commercial properties

    Jerry Jones owned a ton of land and apartments in Austin
     
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    The first graph shows how much stocks have outpaced wage growth. The second shows that the bottom 90% of US citizens have 15% of total stocks. Which is different than income growth. Which has shown to slow in the last graph, while the largest "99.999th percentile" have skyrocketed.

    I am not sure what to do about this I am also not sure how long this is sustainable.

    I don't have time to watch the video right now. Does the guy professor recommend anything?
     
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    Sure - but its not nearly as profitable, and you don't have near the liquidity that you get in the stock market. That's the reason most billionaires have most of their money in the stock market instead of real estate. Nothing changes with a billionaire's tax in that regard.
     
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    so you think it will work? the NYU Professor doesn't.

    I'm not claiming that I'm an economics genius, but I'm sure smarter than these dumb Bernie fans.
     
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    I get it, a professor from NYU is too hard to understand,

    I can't find any videos from Art History Dropout Online College.

    @Os Trigonum
     
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    Dude seriously? I am getting my MBA right now (had to take a year off because of being a single parent). Do you want me to copy/paste studies from databases I have access to? I figured simple google searches showing income inequality was more appropriate for a message board? So you're going to act as if you are superior because of a CNBC Youtube video? Good f'ing grief.

    For once do you have anything at all substantive to say? Or, just insults? I am guess insults and weird non sequiturs. You are absolutely one of the weirdest personalities I have come across on the internet just about ever.
     
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  20. tinman

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    Hey I posted the video

    I AM NOT THE NYU PROFESSOR

    I did get a great degree though from the BEST university in TEXAS
    Got a B in economics too brah
     

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