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[NYTIMES.com] Are Americans Hostile to Knowledge?

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  1. Nice Rollin

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    Interesting article....or at least i thought so. It makes me think of those dumbasses on Leno when he does his "Jaywalking" segment. I never thought people could be that ignorant...

    Are Americans Hostile to Knowledge?

    A popular video on YouTube shows Kellie Pickler, the adorable platinum blonde from “American Idol,” appearing on the Fox game show “Are You Smarter Than a 5th Grader?” during celebrity week. Selected from a third-grade geography curriculum, the $25,000 question asked: “Budapest is the capital of what European country?”


    Ms. Pickler threw up both hands and looked at the large blackboard perplexed. “I thought Europe was a country,” she said. Playing it safe, she chose to copy the answer offered by one of the genuine fifth graders: Hungary. “Hungry?” she said, eyes widening in disbelief. “That’s a country? I’ve heard of Turkey. But Hungry? I’ve never heard of it.”

    Such, uh, lack of global awareness is the kind of thing that drives Susan Jacoby, author of “The Age of American Unreason,” up a wall. Ms. Jacoby is one of a number of writers with new books that bemoan the state of American culture.

    Joining the circle of curmudgeons this season is Eric G. Wilson, whose “Against Happiness” warns that the “American obsession with happiness” could “well lead to a sudden extinction of the creative impulse, that could result in an extermination as horrible as those foreshadowed by global warming and environmental crisis and nuclear proliferation.”

    Then there is Lee Siegel’s “Against the Machine: Being Human in the Age of the Electronic Mob,” which inveighs against the Internet for encouraging solipsism, debased discourse and arrant commercialization. Mr. Siegel, one might remember, was suspended by The New Republic for using a fake online persona in order to trash critics of his blog (“you couldn’t tie Siegel’s shoelaces”) and to praise himself (“brave, brilliant”).

    Ms. Jacoby, whose book came out on Tuesday, doesn’t zero in on a particular technology or emotion, but rather on what she feels is a generalized hostility to knowledge. She is well aware that some may tag her a crank. “I expect to get bashed,” said Ms. Jacoby, 62, either as an older person who upbraids the young for plummeting standards and values, or as a secularist whose defense of scientific rationalism is a way to disparage religion.

    Ms. Jacoby, however, is quick to point out that her indictment is not limited by age or ideology. Yes, she knows that eggheads, nerds, bookworms, longhairs, pointy heads, highbrows and know-it-alls have been mocked and dismissed throughout American history. And liberal and conservative writers, from Richard Hofstadter to Allan Bloom, have regularly analyzed the phenomenon and offered advice.

    T. J. Jackson Lears, a cultural historian who edits the quarterly review Raritan, said, “The tendency to this sort of lamentation is perennial in American history,” adding that in periods “when political problems seem intractable or somehow frozen, there is a turn toward cultural issues.”

    But now, Ms. Jacoby said, something different is happening: anti-intellectualism (the attitude that “too much learning can be a dangerous thing”) and anti-rationalism (“the idea that there is no such things as evidence or fact, just opinion”) have fused in a particularly insidious way.

    Not only are citizens ignorant about essential scientific, civic and cultural knowledge, she said, but they also don’t think it matters.

    She pointed to a 2006 National Geographic poll that found nearly half of 18- to 24-year-olds don’t think it is necessary or important to know where countries in the news are located. So more than three years into the Iraq war, only 23 percent of those with some college could locate Iraq, Iran, Saudi Arabia and Israel on a map.

    Ms. Jacoby, dressed in a bright red turtleneck with lipstick to match, was sitting, appropriately, in that temple of knowledge, the New York Public Library’s majestic Beaux Arts building on Fifth Avenue. The author of seven other books, she was a fellow at the library when she first got the idea for this book back in 2001, on 9/11.

    Walking home to her Upper East Side apartment, she said, overwhelmed and confused, she stopped at a bar. As she sipped her bloody mary, she quietly listened to two men, neatly dressed in suits. For a second she thought they were going to compare that day’s horrifying attack to the Japanese bombing in 1941 that blew America into World War II:

    “This is just like Pearl Harbor,” one of the men said.

    The other asked, “What is Pearl Harbor?”

    “That was when the Vietnamese dropped bombs in a harbor, and it started the Vietnam War,” the first man replied.

    At that moment, Ms. Jacoby said, “I decided to write this book.”


    Ms. Jacoby doesn’t expect to revolutionize the nation’s educational system or cause millions of Americans to switch off “American Idol” and pick up Schopenhauer. But she would like to start a conversation about why the United States seems particularly vulnerable to such a virulent strain of anti-intellectualism. After all, “the empire of infotainment doesn’t stop at the American border,” she said, yet students in many other countries consistently outperform American students in science, math and reading on comparative tests.

    In part, she lays the blame on a failing educational system. “Although people are going to school more and more years, there’s no evidence that they know more,” she said.

    Ms. Jacoby also blames religious fundamentalism’s antipathy toward science, as she grieves over surveys that show that nearly two-thirds of Americans want creationism to be taught along with evolution.

    Ms. Jacoby doesn’t leave liberals out of her analysis, mentioning the New Left’s attacks on universities in the 1960s, the decision to consign African-American and women’s studies to an “academic ghetto” instead of integrating them into the core curriculum, ponderous musings on rock music and pop culture courses on everything from sitcoms to fat that trivialize college-level learning.

    Avoiding the liberal or conservative label in this particular argument, she prefers to call herself a “cultural conservationist.”

    For all her scholarly interests, though, Ms. Jacoby said she recognized just how hard it is to tune out the 24/7 entertainment culture. A few years ago she participated in the annual campaign to turn off the television for a week. “I was stunned at how difficult it was for me,” she said.

    The surprise at her own dependency on electronic and visual media made her realize just how pervasive the culture of distraction is and how susceptible everyone is — even curmudgeons.


    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/14/b...&ei=5087&em&en=1d68ad601de3ed4a&ex=1203483600
     
  2. IROC it

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    Sure.

    We're all like Ms. Pickler... and those two doofus guys at the bar in NYC on 9/11.


    Yep... Oh wait... aren't they in the biggest Democrat state in the union?


    Hmmm.


    BROAD BRUSH
     
  3. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    I think the fact that we label smart people nerds pretty much says it all. In other countries, smart people are respected, here they are ridiculed.

    We like athletes and entertainers - not intellectuals. But it's ok, i mean, how smart do you have to be to do 80% of the jobs out there?
     
  4. orbb

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    Not true. Nerds are ridiculed everywhere. You can be smart without being nerdy.
     
  5. meh

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    I don't think American's any more ignorant than citizens of any other country. Try asking about Budapast and Hungary around the world and you'll probably get a lot of answers like Kellie Pickler's.

    Then again, I don't remember learning about Budapast in 3rd grade. I didn't know what the hell it was until I started playing chess and learned the "Budapest Defense".
     
  6. SamFisher

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    This post is not helping the cause.
     
  7. danny317

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    i think the jay leno show doesnt show the people who can actually answer the questions bc thats not entertaining.

    w/ that said, i think the avg. joe in the US is probably on par w/ the avg. joe in any other advanced country (minus the geography).
     
  8. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    Don't worry the smart people end up controlling the companies and the money....it all evens out.

    Of course the article speaks of a show called "Are you smarter than a FIFTH grader" ....

    DD
     
  9. Mr. Brightside

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    I don't know who you hang around with or work with, but for example at my firm the smartest people here are generally the most respected.
     
  10. bigtexxx

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    This perfectly describes Barack Hussein Ubama supports. They love the motivational speeches, but they're content to not look under the hood for any kind of substance, instead continuing in their blissful ignorance.
     
  11. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    dude you're reeling
     
  12. bigtexxx

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    Don't be afraid to look under the hood, brah
     
  13. jo mama

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    dont 50% of americans still think saddam had wmd's?
     
  14. bigtexxx

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    Saddam 100% did have WMD, and he used them against his people. Looks like you're hostile to knowledge, as well.
     
  15. jo mama

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    would those would be the wmd's that reagan sold him and helped him use against his own people and the iranians?

    so where are they jorge?
     
  16. danny317

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    wmd's as in the chemical/biological weapons that the reagan administration sold to him.

    but no "nukular" weapons.
     
  17. bigtexxx

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    I'll go ahead and overlook your "Reagan used WMD against the Iraqi people" ignorant comment.

    It was Hussein's responsibility to account for his WMD. After 14 UN resolutions, he did not. He paid the price.
     
  18. Oski2005

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    The last 8 years are proof of the hostility to knowledge.
     
  19. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    the iraq war will cost over a trillion. we're paying the price, brah
     
  20. bigtexxx

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    Glad we got China to finance it, brah!
     

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