NYT: Secret Joint Raid Captures Taliban’s Top Commander

I see some of this in his future.

 

I don't.

 

I hope so. Not to get information but just because he deserves it.

 

Naw, the current administration has made it clear they won't splash water in peoples faces. Even if millions of lives are at stake we just have to ask pretty please with sugar on top tell us where the nuclear bomb is at.

 

I didn't realize 24 was based on real life.

 

Didn't you forget that Fox News considers half of it's programming as entertainment?

 

I am again amazed that some people are so narrow-minded as to believe that there are only two options. Either you are torturing or you are asking pretty please.

But if you are foolish enough to believe there is a nuclear bomb, then I guess I shouldn't be surprised.

 

Thankfully, most of the world understand that there are positions other than the extremes of torture and giving a key to the city. Sadly, it doesn't appear that you fall in that category.

 

Could you please state the other positions?

 

I will be happy to give you one example...

In between the two extremes would be an incarcerated person undergoing interrogation methods that have been proven effective time and time again. There are well documented techniques that range from the cliche of "good cop, bad cop" to very intricate strategies designed to slowly but surely turn the interrogator into a friend in the eyes of the detainee. These interrogation techniques have been detailed by police, FBI, and military organizations and are remarkably effective.

As an example, I would point out the story told by the FBI interrogator who first worked on Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, got valuable information from him, and then had to watch as KSM stopped giving information when the torture started.

 

please check the United States Army Field manual for a healthy dose of other options.

 

I'd say I'm not in the category that views water boarding as an extreme. Even with that said I don't think it should be used unless there's credible intelligence of immediate danger.

 

The Army, FBI, police, and just about every other government in the world sees waterboarding as torture. I suppose you are in the group that was convinced otherwise.

 

I didn't mean to imply that it's not torture, just not "extreme" as was mentioned earlier. But is should only be used in extreme circumstances. Drowning is a horrible way to die, so making someone think their drowning is a form of torture. However, if done properly there isn't lasting effects, scares, injury to the person, just fear.

 

Have any of you ever been waterboarded? just curious because you seem to all be experts. especially those of you against the practice. I have been waterboarded as part of survival school (SERE). While it is extremely uncomfortable I would not consider it torture. I do however think that any intelligence obtained through waterboarding is questionable at best.
my question is, do you think those "extremists" as many of you would like us to call them would have any problems water boarding you? I'm pretty sure their "torture" methods are much more extreme and deadly. waterboarding or beheading, you decide.

 

Madmonkey, wtf were you thinking posting that photo? You have now re-re-re-re-re-re-restarted the "debate" about waterboarding being torture and whether toture is ok to do.

Back on topic.....errr wait what are we debating again?

 

Jesse Ventura disagrees with you, as do the Army, FBI, police, and most of the governments on the planet.

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The point is that we are better than they are and we should act like it. Just because some other country or terrorist group wouldn't have a problem torturing an American does not mean that we have to sink to their level.

 

my question to you is do you think we should be in the business of using the methods of terrorists? i would think we should have higher standards?

 

I think if you enter a war, or are drawn into a fight, you do what it takes to win. War is brutal, I'm not sure how many of you have ever been in combat but I can guess which ones haven't. If we would have been as Pussyfied of a country back in WWII as we are today we would all be speaking Deutsch or Nipponese right now.