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NYT: 'Jaw-Dropping' Data on Black Male Student Achievement

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  1. basso

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    Difficult conversations are indeed needed, and it's probably too much to hope we could have a productive one here, but worth highlighting the report, as the data is in fact "jaw dropping."

    i'll start- i've long advocated keeping affirmative action programs in place, but pegging their criteria to income rather than race (or sex, or sexual preference, etc.) i believe this would have a far greater chance of "narrowing the income gap" than any of the more redistributive policies currently advocated. in addition, it's an inherently more just way of affectng social change, w/o pitting various groups against one another. however, after noting the differences in achievement between poor whites and blacks (highlighted below) it's hard to argue that there's not at least some cultural component at play in black male scholastic underachievement that needs to be more directly addressed.

    [rquoter]Proficiency of Black Students Is Found to Be Far Lower Than Expected
    By TRIP GABRIEL

    An achievement gap separating black from white students has long been documented — a social divide extremely vexing to policy makers and the target of one blast of school reform after another.

    But a new report focusing on black males suggests that the picture is even bleaker than generally known.

    Only 12 percent of black fourth-grade boys are proficient in reading, compared with 38 percent of white boys, and only 12 percent of black eighth-grade boys are proficient in math, compared with 44 percent of white boys.

    Poverty alone does not seem to explain the differences: poor white boys do just as well as African-American boys who do not live in poverty, measured by whether they qualify for subsidized school lunches.


    The data was distilled from highly respected national math and reading tests, known as the National Assessment for Educational Progress, which are given to students in fourth and eighth grades, most recently in 2009. The report, “A Call for Change,” is to be released Tuesday by the Council of the Great City Schools, an advocacy group for urban public schools.

    Although the outlines of the problem and many specifics have been previously reported, the group hopes that including so much of what it calls “jaw-dropping data” in one place will spark a new sense of national urgency.

    “What this clearly shows is that black males who are not eligible for free and reduced-price lunch are doing no better than white males who are poor,” said Michael Casserly, executive director of the council.

    The report shows that black boys on average fall behind from their earliest years. Black mothers have a higher infant mortality rate and black children are twice as likely as whites to live in a home where no parent has a job. In high school, African-American boys drop out at nearly twice the rate of white boys, and their SAT scores are on average 104 points lower. In college, black men represented just 5 percent of students in 2008.

    The analysis of results on the national tests found that math scores in 2009 for black boys were not much different than those for black girls in Grades 4 and 8, but black boys lagged behind Hispanics of both sexes, and they fell behind white boys by at least 30 points, a gap sometimes interpreted as three academic grades.

    The search for explanations has recently looked at causes besides poverty, and this report may further spur those efforts.

    “There’s accumulating evidence that there are racial differences in what kids experience before the first day of kindergarten,” said Ronald Ferguson, director of the Achievement Gap Initiative at Harvard. “They have to do with a lot of sociological and historical forces. In order to address those, we have to be able to have conversations that people are unwilling to have.”

    Those include “conversations about early childhood parenting practices,” Dr. Ferguson said. “The activities that parents conduct with their 2-, 3- and 4-year-olds. How much we talk to them, the ways we talk to them, the ways we enforce discipline, the ways we encourage them to think and develop a sense of autonomy.”

    The report urges convening a White House conference, encouraging Congress to appropriate more money for schools and establishing networks of black mentors.

    What it does not discuss are policy responses identified with a robust school reform movement that emphasizes closing failing schools, offering charter schools as alternatives and raising the quality of teachers.

    The report did not go down this road because “there’s not a lot of research to indicate that many of those strategies produce better results,” Mr. Casserly said.

    Other have a different response. The key to narrowing the achievement gap, said Dr. Ferguson, is “really good teaching.”

    One large urban school district that has made progress is Baltimore’s, where the dropout rate for African-American boys declined to 4.9 percent during the last academic year, down from 11.9 percent three years earlier. Graduation rates for black boys were also up: 57 percent in 2009-10, compared with 51 percent three years earlier.

    Andres A. Alonso, the chief executive of the Baltimore City Public Schools, said the improvement had little to do with changes at the margins, like lengthening the school day or adding mentors. Rather, Mr. Alonso cited aggressively closing failing schools, knocking on the doors of dropouts’ homes to lure them back and creating real-time alerts — “almost like an electrical charge” — when a student misses several days of school.

    “Hispanic kids and African-American kids this year had a lower dropout rate than white kids,” Mr. Alonso said.[/rquoter]
     
  2. da Whopper

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    I blame the Tea Party, Palin, Limbaugh, Rove, W., Beck, Halliburton, BP, Sharron Angle, Christine O'Donnell, and Fox News.
     
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    Cleverly disguised jab at Obama.
     
  5. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    Clearly basso is saying whites are smarter than blacks.
     
  6. vlaurelio

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    I wonder what's your daughter's opinion on this..
     
  7. Dairy Ashford

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    Black underachievement could have been incrementally wiped out if we started 50 or 100 years ago. But the first colleges didn't accept blacks, the first suburban neighborhoods didn't sell to blacks, and the corporate and professional level jobs that validate educational accomplishment weren't open to blacks. Blacks were isolated and impoverished by design, for their own sanity they had to create a "culture" separate from the one that bent over backwards to exclude them.
     
  8. CometsWin

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    What criteria could possibly be the factor that's causing black kids to perform worse than white kids? What on EARTH could that factor POSSIBLY be? This is truly mysterious.
     
  9. basso

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    note that the report is specifically about black males, not all black children.
     
  10. da Whopper

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    So, how much longer is it going to take? We've been trying to undo the past for 45 years or so. Will it take another 50 years? And at what point do blacks own up to this problem instead of blaming it on the past?
     
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    you have no idea what you're talking about if you think blacks aren't trying to "own up"
     
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    Yes 400 years of slavery and oppression should completely be erased in just 45 years.
     
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    black males probably feel more isolated from the promise of the american dream more than any other group in this country. this is a culture issue that needs to be address as a whole and in the black community
     
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    How can it be addressed without the emotional attachment that comes with discussing race?

    I doubt I've lived in the shoes of other minorities. How can someone like me make a broader impact that extends beyond a personal understanding?
     
  15. CometsWin

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    Aside from the Native American, there has been no more persecuted and discriminated against figure in American history than the black male. It shouldn't be surprising to anyone that after centuries of that type of treatment they would perform worse than their white counterparts. People don't live in and society doesn't exist in a bubble, they're both relative to their histories.
     
  16. da Whopper

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    So your answer is 355 years?

    Where does that leave the current generation of black boys? We're supposed to tell them that we do not expect them to achieve anything because of something that happened hundreds of years ago? Talk about the soft bigotry of low expectations.
     
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    If they are, it does not seem to be doing any good.
     
  18. thadeus

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    Poor is the new black.

    I agree that there should be affirmative actions programs in place, but they should be based solely on income.

    (I'm a little bit worried that I agree with basso here, but one of my first posts in the D&D asserted this viewpoint).

    Racism still exists, but those instances where it functions as a bar to education are few and far between. The real problem, in just about every facet of society, is poverty.

    It seems like more people would be concerned about this because the problem is steadily getting worse. What's going to happen if we have a massive underclass studded with very intelligent, and very frustrated people who cannot get ahead?

    The income gap is the biggest threat to social stability in the United States.
     
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    I didn't say 355 years. I also never said a word about lower expectations. None of this is about low expectations. It's about altering the way education is delivered to help students at need meet the high expectations.

    You are the only one talking about low expectations, and your flawed beleif that black community is only blaming history and not trying to take responsibility.

    Furthermore, it isn't just what happened hundreds of years ago that hamper the education. But when parents and grandparents aren't allowed an equal education it has an effect on the whole family today, and a communities value and attitude towards education.

    All of these things need to be addressed, and they should be addressed while maintaining high expectations, but altering the way material is delivered and opportunities afforder to students with these special needs.
     
  20. da Whopper

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    But we have tried 45 years of top down solutions (55 years if you start at Brown v Board) and we seem to little to show for it.

    So what's the way forward? Just throw more money at it?
     

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