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NYDN: Miami Big 3 would take pay cut, but only to add talent to the team and not to help owner save

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by Carl Herrera, Jun 17, 2014.

  1. Carl Herrera

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    http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/lawrence-heat-remember-alamo-article-1.1831568

    - If you are a Miami fan, the hopeful reading of this is that these guys are considering a pay cut to add talent and putting pressure on the ownership to do so, which is what a fan of the team would want.

    - If you are a fan of a team that wants one of the Big 3, the hopeful ready of this is that the Big 3 seem at least a little frustrated with and distrustful of the ownership's priorities after seeing the team cut Mike Miller, a helpful player during last year's run, in order to save the luxury tax without adequately replacing him. IIRC, the pay cut that the Big 3 took when they first came together made it possible for them to keep Haslem and add Mike Miller at the time.

    - The article mentions (author's speculation, most likely) that an Melo addition seems "far-fetched" and it's more likely for a potential pay cut to finance the signing of a "younger athletic wing" and other new parts-- sounds more like role players.

    Makes sense since the kind of pay cut it would take to assemble a "Big 4" is just huge. It seems they are more contemplating something to the tune of what they took last time rather than something really dramatic.
     
  2. REEKO_HTOWN

    REEKO_HTOWN I'm Rich Biiiiaaatch!

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    The owner won't do it. He cut Miller ASAP when they were about to hit major tax.

    Anything over $10 million in Luxury tax I doubt he approves and I'm suspecting Lebron and Co. Want him to do what the Russian is doing in Brooklyn. Lebron wants him to be ok paying $50 million in a tax bill....each year.
     
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  3. pugsly8422

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    I agree totally with this. Them cutting Miller was the first thing that came to my mind while reading. There's only one Prokorov (sp?), and he ain't in Miami.
     
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    All 3 guys could agree to opt out and sign for one year at $10 million. This would give them plenty of cap to add a Melo or Pau and Lowry. They could then re-sign in 2015 for max salaries again.

    Or

    Wade could take the minimum for a season and allow them to sign someone like Melo and then come back on a wink-wink deal for 2 years $45 million or so.


    Either one of these or some combination of these (perhaps Wade at the minimum and Lebron and Bosh at $10 million) are going to be necessary for Miami to build out a championship contender for Lebron. No way around it. Somebody's got to play on a 1-year deal substantially below market.
     
  5. justtxyank

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    The wink wink deals are forbidden by the CBA, and in the case you are suggesting would be easily proven and the team would be punished.

    Not to mention, imagine if they did that and then Wade's knees go out or Bosh's back goes out. They would be really stupid to do 1 year discount deals.

    The real world doesn't work the way your fantasy theory mind does.
     
  6. REEKO_HTOWN

    REEKO_HTOWN I'm Rich Biiiiaaatch!

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    None of this will happen. Good Players don't sign one year deals EVER. Not even for extra money. Also the Illuminati doesn't exist.
     
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    Tim Duncan, Manu Ginobili, Tony Parker...all 3 guys have played substantially below market for the last several years.


    Here's Pincus suggesting the same thing was possible for Kobe before Kobe re-upped.

    http://articles.latimes.com/2013/ju...-kobe-bryant-minimum-contract-lakers-20130710


     
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    REEKO_HTOWN I'm Rich Biiiiaaatch!

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    Are you comparing LBJ and Co to them?


    You will be in for disappointment.
     
  9. Texanswin2013

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    You're pulling crap out of your butt. Where did it say and even state a source that the big 3 'would' take a paycut? Wade is not opting out man.

    But I really hope you jinx Miami and this happens:

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  10. Carl Herrera

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    Mechanically, they can do it. The question is whether they will do it.

    The article suggest that the Big 3 worries that the owner would cheap out and pocket the savings rather than use it to add talent while incurring the luxury tax.

    The "one year pay cut" route may allow them to sign Melo this year. But what happens next year, when Melo is still making huge $ and the other 3 goes back on their regularly scheduled max $? Is the owner willing to pay them all big $, plus quality supporting guys for the other slots, which likely means a lot of luxury tax?
     
  11. Carl Herrera

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    Right here in the article:

     
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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Heat, Kyle Lowry Share Interest In*Deal <a href="http://t.co/jxrYaYQxDY">http://t.co/jxrYaYQxDY</a></p>&mdash; Hoops Rumors (@HoopsRumors) <a href="https://twitter.com/HoopsRumors/statuses/478974366382698497">June 17, 2014</a></blockquote>
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    This is what happens when players create teams instead of Gms
     
  14. REEKO_HTOWN

    REEKO_HTOWN I'm Rich Biiiiaaatch!

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    You should try that guy @incarceratedbob. He's got as much credibility as these clowns at ESPN.
     
  15. justtxyank

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    Not really.

    Tim Duncan and Manu Ginobli had people questioning whether they were washed up when they did their last deal. Parker was luck that his free agency came before he exploded with that MVP type year.

    Regardless, none of them signed one year minimum deals with a stupid wink wink deal to get a huge deal the next year. Circumventing the cap in that manner is expressly forbidden by the CBA and would be punished.

    Edit: Why am I wasting my time responding? You'll keep throwing your crazy fantasy scenarios out there, none of them will come true and then you'll spin a new set of webs next year or at the trade deadline and act like they are fact.
     
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    See, no. that's pure speculation. And leBron has already said/hinted he wants MORE money. Let alone less.


    Also, Dwyane Wade has already said "don't blame me" if LeBron leaves. This was before Games 3 or 4. One of the two. Wade is not leaving that money on the table. The only way I could see him doing it is if he took 4 years $40 million and even then, why do that when you could take your guaranteed $42 million and then worry about about the next deal. IF he can even still physcially play the game. Wade gets treated after practice, in the hotel and before games and still can't play consistently.

    For once, Wade and Lebron's personal/player needs and wants strongly contradict each other. Wade will opt in and from there Lebron will not stay. It's just not a smart move. And Lebron has shown he doesn't care about the masses opinions when making theb est choices for himself. Bosh is their only hope and I thin khe will take less but will it matter? Neither are championship level #2's anymore.

    Wade needs to opt out and and if he doesn't Lebron is gone.....Then again, this is also my own speculation.
     
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    How is Wade considered a star player anymore? His knees are nearly gone and he can barely play half a season. If anything, Wade needs to take a pay cut if he wants another ring.
     
  18. Texanswin2013

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    I have to slow my typing down...Tons of typos...

    But here's Dwyane ade basically saying he'd take his $42 million and wouldn't carei f Lebron leaves:

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...-5-preview-eastern-conference-finals/9636979/

    Lebron is opting out people. This is happeneing.
     
  19. steddinotayto

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    If 4 consecutive Finals appearances and 2 championships is what happens then I'd say those players are pretty damn smart.

    Sacrificing Mike Miller was a no no but it wasn't the straw that broke the camel's back. The Heat had a few glaring holes on their team that contributed to their demise.

    That being said, the Heat will have to sign their Big 3 to the maximum amount of years allowed in order for this to even be palatable for Bosh/Wade/LeBron to take a paycut. $12 million a player would help reload their team in a flash but I doubt they're going to take THAT big a paycut. $15 million each perhaps? That frees up almost $20 million left to sign free agents.
     
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    Too bad he'll never be 100% "healthy" anymore so of course he'd take his $42 million because I doubt any team out there (save maybe for Brooklyn) that would pay him $10 million a year if he opts out.
     

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