http://www.nypost.com/sports/knicks/26166.htm ANTOINE HEADING TO HAWKS NY Post, Peter Vescey Call it win one, lose one for the Knicks. While Jamal Crawford is expected to join the Knicks as soon as today in a trade with the Bulls, it looks like Isiah Thomas will lose out on another piece he'd hope to bring to the Garden — Antoine Walker. That's because Walker will be traded tomorrow from the Mavs to the Hawks for Jason Terry and Alan Henderson, a league source revealed. Walker, a forward, never really fit in during his one year with the Mavs, and was hoping for a deal to either the Sixers (where he'd have been reunited with ex-Celtic coach Jim O'Brien) or the Knicks. Walker is owed $14.625M in the final year of his contract. Terry, a guard, has $7.5M and $6.6M left over two years, while Henderson, an injury-prone forward, is owed $8.2M for one year. #### Yeah I know it is Peter Vescey...cringe! BUT anyway..... Why make this move if you are Dallas? Do they need another guard (Daniels, Harris, Finley, Terry)? Why trade Big for small? Makes you wonder if they plan on moving one of their guards in the future (for Kidd?). I guess that puts Al Harrington at the SF spot and Walker at PF for the Hawks. Good move for the Hawks. They get bigger and still keep salary cap space since Walker comes off the cap next year.
So what, no one next year uses the Hawk money anyway? Or does this allow the Hawks to deal with Knicks or 6ers (both rumored AW destinations) and Mavs to deal with Raps or Nets with different pieces/combos (for all sorts of superduperstars)?
Deuce, They may plan on moving one of their guards, but the Nets are not taking on any long-term contracts. With Walker gone, Laettner is the only expiring contract the Mavs have. And he makes less than 1/2 of what Kidd makes. I'm with you...good move for the Hawks and unclear what the Mavs are doing. (More knee-jerk to losing Nash?). That said, I wonder how many shots Walker would put up as a rent-a-Hawk? How would Walker's presence impact other ATL FA signings? They still have a boatload of cap room. Does Dampier want to play next to Antoine?
Nobody is going to commit to Kidd's 90 million for at most 3 good years left in his career. He's got a bad injury, he's old, and he was overrated to start with.
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune...bulls,1,7822070.story?coll=cs-bulls-headlines August 2, 2004, 10:19 AM CDT Bulls, Knicks still working on deal Agent Aaron Goodwin is working to get the Knicks and Bulls to agree on a streamlined trade that would send his client Jamal Crawford and Jerome Williams to New York for Othella Harrington, Dikembe Mutombo, Frank Williams and Cezary Trybanski, sources said. The Bulls no longer appear willing to accept Shandon Anderson's contract, foiling Isiah Thomas' latest proposal of Anderson, Mutombo and Frank Williams that Goodwin felt Bulls general manager John Paxson had agreed to accept. Copyright © 2004, The Chicago Tribune
The MO in Dallas lately hasn't been to make moves that directly help the team, they've been making moves to try and get pieces that would allow them to make a bigger deal later. Hasn't worked well. They've been left holding the bag with Walker and Jamison (never really were guys they wanted to keep on the roster), and then this year with Stack and Laettner (for the attempted Shaq deal). Terry doesn't have much left on his deal, btw (signed in 2003 for 3 years, 22 mill) and Alan Henderson is entering his final year. Vince Carter pieces maybe? Kidd? I smell trade. Evan
Yeah, it seems they are just trying to acquire assets. But like you said, they spun their wheels with the assets of Jamison and Walker. They can't trade Laettner and Stack until August 24th and if this deal goes down Terry and Henderson much later in the year. So that will be a hinderence. Seeing Terry run the Mavs will give us a good idea of what it would have looked like if the fantasty Francis for Nash trade would have taken place. I just dont see Terry running the Mavs. And the more I think about it, getting Terry pretty much ends the Kidd to Dallas speculation. Walker would have been a KEY piece to that deal. Sure they could throw Laettner and Henderson at them later in the year but why take those two stiffs when you can at least rent Walker for a year. Doesnt make sense for NJ to do it.
One thing that probably attracts them to Terry is that he can slide to the 2 easily. Everything I've seen from Dallas has told me they're high on Harris and see him as their future PG. In fact, they're so sold on him they aren't sure they want to bring in Kidd (5 years remaining) no matter what. Terry is a guy they can play with Harris, if they so choose. Their depth chart is screwy and overcrowded right now: Booth/Podkolzin/Ilunga-Mbenga/Bradley Dirk/Najera/Laettner/Henderson Finley/Howard Stackhouse/Daniels/Abdul-Wahad Terry/Harris/Delk They seriously can't keep this roster; all else fails, they have 16 players under contract. It would be interesting if they enter the Dampier sweepstakes. Evan
I wonder if the Rockets could help the Mavs in a deal for Kidd. With Walker going to Atlanta and Kittles going to the Clippers, I believe the Rockets would be the only team left that could help broker a deal with New Jersey. How about this deal? New Jersey gets: Laettner 6 mil Devin Harris 2.7 mil Trade Exception 6 mil *The Nets slash payroll and get a cheap young point guard to replace Kidd. Dallas gets: Kidd 15 mil *A Kidd/Terry backcourt would be awesome. Rockets get: Marquis Daniels 5 mil Pavel Podkolzin 1 mil *The Rockets get a point guard and a backup center.
A role player and an unproven point guard doesn’t seem like that much of a price to pay for a superstar point guard. I don’t think they would miss either guy much considering they would have Kidd, Terry, Finley, Stackhouse, and Howard at the guard spots.
Young talent doesn't get moved so easily in this league. Kwame Brown and Tyson Chandler are proof of that. If Dallas wanted to deal for Kidd, they would have done it already. They know as well as everyone else in this league that Kidd is not worth his contract and will want to see him come back strong in Nov before even thinking about acquiring him. Evan
I don't think the Mavs are nearly as high on Daniels and Harris as they claim to be. You don't trade for Jason Terry if you believe Daniels/Harris is the backcourt of your future. I don't think there's any way Cuban keeps this current squad intact and their most tradeable assets left are Daniels, Howard, and Harris.
Marquis Daniels and Devin Harris will not be included in any trade. Those players are the Mavs future. Kidd is on his way down has a serious knee injury. If Kidd is heathy, and the Mavs could steal him, then the Mavs might try to get him. Otherwise Kidd isn't going to Dallas.
Daniels and Harris have a chance to be good players, but I don’t see them ever being as good as Kidd is now. You don’t win championships with good players. You need great players. Kidd is a great player, even if he's not as great as he used to be. The Mavs were a team that used to have 3 all-star caliber players. Right now, all they have is Dirk. You have Finley, who is not nearly the player he once was. Terry, who has never been on an all-star team. Then you have a bucnh of rookies and second year players. Who’s going to be that second star to Dirk?
The trade wasn't all about trading for Terry. I'd say it was mostly about moving an unhappy Walker. The Mavs experimented with Dirk at SF and C, and Walker at SF and C last year, but let's face it, they both are the most effective at the same position -- PF. I'm sure they have tried to move Walker for a C (like to the Sixers for Big Dog and Dalembaert) but found no takers. So they make this deal to dump Walker while filling a semi-need. I think the Mavs actually are very high on Daniels and Harris. They wouldn't have given a 2nd year guy like Daniels that kind of money unless they are very high on him. Did they "need" him? They already had Finley and Stackhouse at the swing positions, yet they stepped up and signed him. They obviously think he's a part of their future. In 3 years or fewer, either Stackhouse or Finley will be gone and Daniels will be a starter. That said, I think the Mavericks don't believe that either of them is ready to be a starting PG on a team that is still expected (by their fans) to make the playoffs this upcoming season. By acquiring Terry they get some experience for their backcourt and a solid player. I wish the Mavs had kept Jamison and made this trade. A lineup of Terry, Finley, Jamison, Dirk, and (insert stiff here) would have been solid. With they players they have right now they are going to get murdered on the boards next season.
'toine is a no-talent ass-clown. (actually, he has talent... but wastes it away by his inability to play with smarts). But still, his career path has gone from franchise savior, to role player, to ??? And, he's getting paid big money to do this?? Dallas is getting addition by subtraction...
Terry and Henderson for Walker? This is a steal for Dallas. Damn, I was hoping that they would suck this year...I guess that aint happening.
