This trade was posed to me in my http://bbs.clutchcity.net/ubb/Forum3/HTML/012745.html thread about the Mavericks. After much review, I think I WOULD make this trade. I think Steve may EVENTUALLY get better then Dirk but I think Dirk is just as awesome as Steve, and when you have equal talent, go for the tall guy.. Now if it was Cuttino for Dirk...no hesitation at all. DaDakota ------------------ If you like RTS games, check out this one. www.frontierwars.com coming soon to a PC near you.
No way. Francis will be better than Nowitzki. As for the Cuttino one, I wouldn't do that either, because I think that the combo of Steve and Cuttino would be better than the combo of Steve and Dirk. And, you were the one that posed the trade. ------------------ Founder and President of the Houston Homers Club(HHC) - Are you a homer? Join now! The Rockets will be NBA champions. Believe.
I think I infered it from Freak's stance about it boiling down to who is the better player Steve or Dirk. DaDakota ------------------ If you like RTS games, check out this one. www.frontierwars.com coming soon to a PC near you.
I think Steve will definitely develop into a better player, I also think he has the intangibles to make him into a strong leader of this team. Dirk's not a leader, and he never will be. I wouldn't do that deal, even if Dirk is a freak. ------------------ Saturday, Donny, is shabbas, the Jewish day of rest. That means I don't work, I don't drive a car, I don't f***** ride in a car, I don't handle money, I don't turn on the oven, and I sure as s*** don't f****** roll!
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I think Nowitzki is great, but he isn't the complete package. He can't create his own shot, and he's not a great ballhandler despite his effectiveness at pushing the ball up the floor. These are things that can be improved upon though. The real problem I have with Nowitzki is that I don't know if he'd be as good without Nash and Finley. Those two create so many easy shots for him, as does the Dallas offensive scheme in general. ------------------
Well, first it might help you to learn how to spell Dirk's name. It's Nowitzki. It's an interesting concept-- it really is. 7 footers like Dirk with all the skills he has don't come around every day. He can run the floor, play multiple positions, shoot the ball with unlimited range, and play solid D. He will be a special player. But, whether or not as special as Steve will be is debatable. When's the last time you've seen a point guard as the team's leading scorer, rebounder, passer, and top steals man by his 2nd year in the league? Steve only has upside to his game, just like Dirk, and they both are two of the top players in the league. But the point guard for a basketball team is like the quarterback for a football team-- the leader. A star PG is a huge ingredient to have in a team, and I would most likely take that over the star SF/PF. But it definitely is a very interesting topic to discuss, and I don't think you could go wrong with either. ------------------ President of the Mo Taylor, Jason Collier, and draft Richard Jefferson fan club! Draftsource.net-- the premier source for draft info. Profiles, rankings, mock drafts, and more! Sign up for season 2 of the CC.net NBA Sim League! http://bbs.clutchcity.net/ubb/Forum12/HTML/000328.html
I also find it interesting that Nowitzki started doing well at the same time that Nash did. You could argue that Nowitzki was just maturing as a player, but I do see a correlation between the two. I just feel Nowitzki is a player who feeds off of other good players, and might struggle if put in a different system. The good thing for him though, is that the Mavs system is perfect for him. ------------------ [This message has been edited by tacoma park legend (edited May 06, 2001).]
I probably wouldn't do the trade for general principles. But I have two other points to make. 1) I take alot of my personal basketball philosophies from what I've read by and about Red Auerbach. Red was asked once if he had a chance to draft Russell or Bird whom would he pick. In brief, Red stated that he would take Russell because winning starts with the Center position. Red's statement obviously was made with no consideration of an NBA zone. I think the ultimate answer about Dirk vs. Steve lies in what kind of NBA game we will have with the new rules. My impression of the new rules is that they are designed to limit ISO's and create more ball movement. This favors players like Nowitzki. And may ultimately change the way all teams evaluate potential additions. 2) Understand this - I love the Rockets and Steve Francis' game. Steve's primary value is his physical skills. It is natural for physical skills to diminish with age. Frequently, I wish Steve would be less spectacular and more controlled. In some respects, this would keep Steve's mileage lower and prolong his abilities (and value to the Rockets). There will always be another young gun point guard on the horizon (Duke's Jason Williams for example). Nowitzki has a clear advantage here as his game (other than being 7') is not based on athleticism. As Dirk's ages, he will get bigger and stronger. So aging will impact Nowitski less than Steve (IMHO). Sorry for being long-winded. These are just some thoughts I've had for awhile and this comparison thread just sent me off the deep end! ------------------ Raef for Rocks '01-'02! [This message has been edited by GATER (edited May 06, 2001).]
Francis is off limits, but if the Mavs would send Nowitzski for Mobley...I would pull the trigger. You got to always look to improve your team - I'm sure Francis won't be too upset when he sees the talent that the Rockets would be getting in return. G Francis G Anderson or Draft F Nowitzski F Webber or Taylor C Olajuwon or Cato [This message has been edited by Smokey (edited May 07, 2001).]
Although I am probably one of the biggest Nowitzki fans, I would not do it, just because trading the franchise player (Francis) is a no-no. Too bad Dallas will never trade Nowitzki or let him go...he would actually be perfect to play WITH Francis and Mobley, I think. He is a better rebounder than anyone on the Rockets right now, has size and can make his shots from anywhere. I also disagree with whoever said that he cannot create his own shot. I think he is definitely able to do that. I wish the Mavs were still as stupid as they were years ago and they would take Williams, Cato, Anderson for him...Francis, Mobley, Nowitzki, Webber, Olajuwon...would love to see this at least once.
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are you kidding?!?! dirk for stevie???? hell no... trade wouldn't work for the rockets at all ------------------
Mobley for Dirk, I would do in a second. Dirk will be twice the player Cat is and he is 2 years younger, he will only get better. As for Dirk for Francis I wouldn't do. Athletic 2 guards are a dime a dozen. 7 foot athletic guys who can shoot are not. ------------------
I'd keep Stevie. He does alot more then Dirk. How many reb per game did Dirk have ? I like Dirk alot, but the Utah series has shown that he may not be the total package. I think Steve is closer to being the total package then Dirk. Cat vs. Dirk would be a tough decision. I'd prolly say know on that also....I don't know. ------------------ "norm, would you like to buy an indian scalp ? This deal isn't gonna make or break me Norm, so don't jerk me around." Harry Carey "Norm, if I had a mohawk scalp, I wouldn't be sitting here talking to you."
I would definetely do Cat for Dirk trade. No hesitation at all. Let me 1st say that I think Dirk is the 2nd coming of Larry Bird (more than just the skin color & blonde hair). As others have mentioned he is a 7 footer with great skills. He may not be as athletic as Stevie but I would really think about the trade with Franchise. Not sure if I would pull the trigger or not, I would probably give Stevie one more year to get us to the playoffs.
If you're building a team you build around a PG or a Center, not a PF. Dirk may be good, but Francis will get better and better at getting his teammates involved in a game. He is also capable of creating his shot. The best way to make a team better is to improve the PG position. No way would I make that deal. And no I wouldn't trade Cat for Dirk either. It's easier to build a winning team around an established backcourt, then to break up that team and drop a guy like Nowitzky on the team. ------------------ See the three, be the three. [This message has been edited by RocksMillenium (edited May 07, 2001).]
Nowitzki is a great player....and he will be for years, but I would keep Francis out of sheer natural ability. ------------------ "We make more, but we spend more." Patrick Ewing
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