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Now that McGrady is gone, who is the biggest ball stopper on this team?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by jopatmc, Jan 6, 2010.

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Now that McGrady is gone, who is the biggest ball stopper on this team?

  1. Brooks

    32 vote(s)
    11.9%
  2. Ariza

    205 vote(s)
    76.2%
  3. Lowry

    1 vote(s)
    0.4%
  4. Scola

    7 vote(s)
    2.6%
  5. Landry

    10 vote(s)
    3.7%
  6. Andersen

    4 vote(s)
    1.5%
  7. Battier

    5 vote(s)
    1.9%
  8. Hayes

    5 vote(s)
    1.9%
  1. jopatmc

    jopatmc Member

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    One of the most common complaints about McGrady was that he was a ballstopper. And since Adelman's system is based on having 5 guys that are constantly moving themselves and are constantly moving the basketball, I would like to know who you think is the biggest ballstopper now? Who is the guy that hinders the offense most because he holds the ball instead of making a quick decision with it, either to pass it, shoot it, or made a quick drive to the basket? Who holds onto the ball and slows down this team's offense the most?
     
  2. DaDakota

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    Trevor Ariza, he just stinks on offense.

    I cringe every time he gets the ball at the top of the key, nothing ever good comes of it.

    From what I have seen he does NOT fit in this offense, he is not a triple threat player, and does so few things well....

    I really am beginning to believe it was a big miss by Morey. He doesn't fit with Yao either if he can't shoot the 3 ball and space the floor...

    It looks like we got pwned on this one....

    DD
     
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  3. Mr. Clutch

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    Brian Cook
     
  4. spaceage808

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    is this a cleverly disguised T-mac post or just a post to try to identify a new whipping boy? either way, i dont see what good this post brings? but to answer your question, which YOU already know the answer... Ariza. there ill play along. now let the ariza bashing continue. i see what you did there.
     
  5. Carl Herrera

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    This is a thinly disguised racist thread.
     
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    I've got big balls
    I've got big balls
    They're such big balls
    And they're dirty big balls
    And he's got big balls
    And she's got big balls
    But we've got the biggest balls of them all

    (The Unofficial Houston Rockets Song)
     
  7. Jeff Who

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    Yeah. It reminds me of Chicago's game from last season. I remember we had a big lead and we kept giving the ball to Ron Artest at the top of the arc and in the end we lost.

    The thing is, Ariza is even worse than Artest. At least there was a chance Ron would make that shot off the dribble. With Trevor you just hope it will be close because most of his pull ups are way off.

    He just can't do that. Most of the time he has to even use pump fake to just get his balance.

    But I don't blame him. That is what coaches want. But haven't they realized he is not gonna turn out to be a star?
     
  8. DaDakota

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    Dirty deeds, done dirt cheap !!

    DD
     
  9. jopatmc

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    LOL. You guys are hillarious.

    The point of the thread is not to bash Ariza. I want to see how strongly we feel about Ariza clogging up the offense. I like the guy as a player. I just don't understand, after this many games, why Adelman continues to let him dribble around with the ball attempting to create. The creation in our offense comes from totally discombobulating the defense with movement of players and the ball. Why, if we are getting rid of McGrady because he doesn't fit, is Adelman letting Ariza try to play the same way McGrady does?

    IMHO, when Ariza is on the perimeter, he should catch and shoot, and if the shot is not there he should swing the ball and immediately dive for the hoop, run through if he does not get the pass back or alley oop, and circle around to the perimeter again. If he gets that ball back in the paint area, one dribble max, and attempt to finish high. The creation should come with him 3 feet from the rim with the ball cranked above his head. If he draws the double on the finish, then he can pass off to Scola or Landry for the finish.

    The other play for Ariza is a simple dribble drive off the swing and defensive overplay to the strong side. Ariza should work on his drives and finishes in the offseason. That is, he should work on taking it to the hole and using his steps to avoid defenders and get off the little layups, and 3 foot fadeaways when the defense converges.

    For Ariza to attempt anything else at this point is basically Ariza trying to play McGrady style basketball. He slows down, and loses all the natural advantages he has with his speed and hops. And then he plays to his weaknesses which is handling the ball in traffic and making decisions with the ball in traffic.

    I don't understand what Adelman is trying to accomplish with him at this point. It just seems so simple to me what he should be doing.
     
  10. Angkor Wat

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    The whole ball stopper thing is blown way out of proportion on this board. All the best players are ball stoppers at some point in the game. Every great team needs at least one guy that can put the team on his shoulders when needed and will them to a victory.
     
  11. DaDakota

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    This is true, but at about 45%, they stop being ball stoppers and are closers.

    There is a difference....if you can put the biscuit in the basket consistently, then that is your role....

    If you keep trying and failing, then you are a ball stopper.

    Von last year was not a ball stopper because he made the shots....Trevor this year is...because he can't make them.

    DD
     
  12. Mr. Clutch

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    Ariza is struggling, but he is NOT clogging up the offense like Tmac and Artest did. Let's not conflate two separate issues here.

    Ariza usually makes quick decisions...though it usually leads to a missed shot, lol.
     
  13. TMac4Life#1

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    Mcgrady is gone??? Last time I checked he was still on the roster. But to answer your question I say it's Yao. If your talking about guys that are playing now it's between landry and scola
     
  14. sbyang

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    Thinly disguised Ariza bashing thread.
     
  15. Aznoob

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    What a coincedence.

    The guy that used to wear #1 was a ballstopper.

    The guy that wears #1 NOW is a ballstopper.

    #1 is cursed, man!
     
  16. DaDakota

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    Great examples of what I was saying...Landry is NOT a ball stopper, he is a scorer.

    Once a guy can score efficiently, he is no longer a ball stopper, IMO.

    DD
     
  17. jopatmc

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    Not about bashing Ariza. It's about why Adelman is playing him this way. I believe Ariza is very coachable. I believe Adelman has asked him to expand his game and Adelman has not made the decision to reign him in. I believe he is playing the way that Adelman is coaching him.

    Neither is this a praise Mcgrady thread.

    And yes, we need a go to guy. Who should that go to guy be? Ariza or someone else?

    If I posted another poll asking who should be the go to guy, who should be the guy dribbling and attempting to create among this current group of players, who would we pick? See, that's a toughie. Brooks is obviously our most advantageous mismatch one on one if we are coming down in the halfcourt and looking for a shot. However, his playmaking and creating ability is very suspect.

    IMO, if we have to have a bucket, the ball should be in Brooks hands with Landry posting up down on the block. Brooks high and Landry low. Everybody else should be moving off the ball and looking for the catch and shoot or the finish.

    I just don't understand continuing the Ariza being a creator experiement at this point in the season. I think Adelman should sharpen up and hone down Ariza's game, at least for the remainder of this season. He should ask Ariza to either catch and shoot, catch and swing and dive to the hoop, or catch and make a decisive drive to the basket and attempt to finish. Just dummie it down to 3 options. If Ariza puts the ball on the floor from the top, it has to be with his first step advancing towards the rim. The trouble starts when Ariza takes that first dribble and he is moving sideways or backwards and not advancing directly towards the hoop. The defense knows they have him in a weak position, they swarm his dribble and then Ariza and our offense becomes discombobulated instead of our ball movement and player movement discombobulating the defense. Ariza dribbling the ball anywhere besides a direct path to the bucket gives the defense a chance to recover and reset and then we are down in the shotclock attempting to reset the offense and we are forced to get off a quick, hurried shot. And even worse, is when Ariza continues to try to make something after they have swarmed his dribble. Turnovers and bad forced shots are the result with our team being out of position to defend the runouts off those forced, bad shots and turnovers.
     
  18. FLASH21

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    Is there no 'none of the above' option?

    Even though Ariza does stink it up at times I still don't see him being a mega ball stopper the way Tracy was when he was the primary option on offense.

    We still have good ball movement and a great team assists average per game, I believe somewhere around 22-24. (?)

    Either way Trevor is helping out in more areas than his shooting when it is off, assists, rebounds, steals, D, etc. I don't see what the big complain or "bash" is about Ariza.

    Its not like he makes $23 mill sitting on the bench....
     
  19. jopatmc

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    Once again, this is not about bashing Ariza. This is about what would make our team work better. I don't think benching Ariza is the answer. He is very valuable on the defensive end and I believe he could be very valuable on the offensive end as well if he were coached diffferently. I don't want Ariza riding the pine. I want him playing more effective, efficient offense that fits with what Adelman is asking from the rest of the team, share the ball, move the ball, and move your body.
     
  20. DaDakota

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    I think Ariza is more effective when his flaws are hidden by playing with much better players.

    On this team, he stands out like a sore thumb because his many flaws are on display.

    Other teams are now not even guarding him on the perimeter tightly, or daring him to drive or shoot.

    It is honestly embarrising to watch.......how can a 24 year old NBA player not be able to dribble?

    DD
     

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