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Not sure if I should laugh or cry about JVG...

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Tango, Nov 30, 2004.

  1. Tango

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    From this story in the Houston Chronicle:
    http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/sports/2924551

    JVG said...

    "I don't live with my head in the sand," Rockets coach Jeff Van Gundy said. "I understand when you lose as we are losing, everything is going to be questioned. I would say it is really important now that they put total trust in me, and I'll help them solve the problem. I'll lead them out of it.

    "As far as specific things, if it was always that easy, every losing team would just change styles. I don't think it is that. I think you have to stand for something. As we've lost, I've become more sold on what wins in this league, not less. I don't waiver in what I believe wins."

    This is not encouraging to me whatsoever. "Insanity is doing the same thing but expecting different results".
     
  2. Charvo

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    stubborn in the dictionary has JVG's picture next to it
     
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    Well,

    If it continues, and he can not lead, than it will be clear that he has to go.

    DD
     
  6. adai

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    Maybe JVG means a high draft pick next year would help Rockets to be
    a contender?
     
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    Sorry JVG, the fans don't trust you, and more important, neither Yao nor Tracy is gonna trust you. OR

    THEY DON'T WANT TO CHANGE THEIR STYLES OF PLAYING TO SATISFY YOUR SORRY ASS EGO.:mad:
     
  8. Visagial

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    I just hope if or when he leaves, and he pulls the whole "it's my responsibility thing" to deflect criticism, he repudiates the rest of his fat contract too. That way, we won't end up with Larry Smith again.
     
  9. Oski2005

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    Well, if he was a politician, he'd be a man of integrity and steadfastness and what not.

    Anyways, the man is leading the team down a steady slope that ends with a jagged rock faced cliff into a pit of dissapointment and heartbreak. Carry on bald piper, carry on.
     
  10. Texas Stoke

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    No, it means what he said. I know thats hard for some of you anti- Gundy guys to comprehend but sometimes men do mean what they say. He is a man with strong conviction, when the going gets tough, his conviction gets stronger. when people want to bail and jump ship he is ready to march his guys through the swamp. you call that stubborn, I call that a born leader. JVG clap clap clap, JVG clap clap clap.
     
  11. Texas Stoke

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    yeah but the fact is he's not a politician so what he says he really feels.
     
  12. caphorns

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    The dude has always been successful when the players learn his system and get behind him. I think he has a right to have some confidence in his own skills despite a rough start. He's a playoff caliber coach with a team that is not diverse enough talent-wise to compete at the highest level in the NBA. He desparately needs a rebounder (maybe 2) and a shooter to go with T-Mac and Yao. Barry would have been nice, but the guy chose SA over Houston. You can't blame him for chosing SA in the circumstances. Other guys just weren't available or were overhyped. We still are interested in Daniels, but that is looking impossible at this point. There never was a deal to get Daniels anyway.
     
  13. Pistol Pete

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    He either humps a guy's leg during a fight or he quits the team in the middle of the season because he is frustrated that his system sucks....




    [/quote]his conviction gets stronger. when people want to bail and jump ship he is ready to march his guys through the swamp. [/quote]

    An alligator filled swamp at that...
     
  14. Pistol Pete

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    Umm.. his team was in the playoffs last year against the Western Conference Champs and did reasonably well. He is the one who decided to shuffle the deck because he was too stubborn to get along with his players.

    We should have filled the holes we had through Free Agency instead of creating more with that trade.
     
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    All I can say after reading that is we are likely headed for a game in the 60's tonight and if our shooters get hot, we may get into the 70's. I wonder, is there a stat kept for number of shot clock violations, and are there stats kept for number of shots taken with under 5 seconds on the shot clock.

    Long offensive plays that wind down the shot clock also lend themselves to turnovers. The more times the ball is thrown around and dribbled, the greater the chances are for the ball to be thrown out of bounds, or a player to step out of bounds, or commit an offensive foul, or dribble it off their foot. We are among the league leaders in turnovers. It is because we walk the ball up and waste the shot clock.

    But to Van Gundy, apparently, we aren't slowing it down enough. Uptempo ball? Not convinced we can play that style? Man, he should be not convinced that we can play ball control! The stats and the record bear it out.
     
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    I think Van Gundy's best coaching performance was when he was in the movie "The Sixth Man".

    "Now go on out there and win your medal."

    I'm sure even an acting legend like Keanu Reeves was proud of JVG when he saw that scene

    [​IMG]
     
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    I'll admit I've never been really enthused about Van Gundy, and I've gotten really down on him lately.

    But... I was actually encouraged by this article. Many of you should remember that Rudy had trouble getting over the hump with his guys back in the early '90s. It wasn't until they bought into his system 100% that his system really worked. I'm still hopeful the same can be true of JVG, and he seems to believe that way himself.

    Also, there was more in the article to look at besides the quotes above. For example...

    ... and, in response to McGrady's "Once teams double team, I seem to make the right plays. Guys had wide-open jump shots. I'll take that all day."...

    Ultimately, the players have to do these things. It's misleading to think everything the players do on the court is part of the coach's plan.

    Anyway, I'm still not overly optimistic about Van Gundy, but I remain hopeful. If the players will get behind him 100% and do what he says, and THEN it doesn't work... can the guy.
     
  19. stevel

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    Amen brother.
     
  20. stevel

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    Chris P,

    I liek your post. I find it funny that everyone thinks JVG doesn't want us to run. You have to rebound to able to run, and we are getting are ass handed to us in this category. This to me is a player issue, not a coaching issue.
     

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