Non-partisan question for my ClutchCity.net friends..

I think Gore is finished too. With the economy as good as it was, he should have won in a walk. Instead, he loses. Also, the most important thing to the American public (outside of the economy) is that the president be likeable, (the only reason Clinton and GW Bush did so well) and Al Gore is definitely not that. Bush, I don't know. It likely will depend on the economy. If things are going good, he'll probably win again, if not, he'll probably get the boot. That's usually the way it works. I don't think the president has much to do with the economy, so what it comes down to is that the most important characteristic the American public looks for in a president is how he comes across on camera.

 

That can't be it. Maybe the millions upon millions of idiotic Americans who identify with the bumbling idiot won't vote in 2004. He sounds like my 4 year-old nephew who's trying to read his first book. If that's what America's looking for, I'm scared.

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If Gore ends up prevailing this year, I don't think Bush would be the nominee in 2004. It's probably the same for Gore if Bush ends up winning, though I think Gore has a better shot simply because he did win the popular vote. But even then, I'd be surprised.

Once a guy loses an election, he's usually just seen as the guy who lost. The specifics around the loss are pretty quickly forgotten, and people want to move on. A candidate can come back from losing in the primaries, but losing in the general election usually sticks with a guy.

That's my theory anyway.

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Houston Sports Board
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Freak: I think the real reason Gore lost was because only 37% of those eligible to vote (registered or not) actually voted. The vast majority of those who did not were minorities and people under the age of 25. Both groups overwhelmingly supported Gore.

Low voter turnouts (anything under 50% of eligible voters) always favor conservatives and Republicans because white people, conservatives and affluent people and seniors nearly always turn out to vote and they vote almost exclusively Republican. While minorities, young people, the poor and women vote almost exclusively Democrat and struggle to turn out in numbers - with the exception of women this year.

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Mmmmmmm. Sacrelicious.

 

Jeff

Is it true that the seniors tend to vote Republican? Based on the social security issues stressed by the Democrats they seemed to target seniors. Is that because they haven't been getting their support or is it because they want to continue/increase current support?

Thanks

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part of the reason that young voters, minorities, and women tend not to vote in most elections is because those 3 demografics make the least amount of money in this nation. these people have to work in jobs that dont afford them time to vote. also if they do have time to vote after or before work, they are surely verry tired, the lines are long, and voting takes last place when held up againds a warm bath.

I am a young man, and i had to miss 4 hours of work in order to vote. I really could have used those $50 when rent came around, and my boss wasnt too happy (although he understood). most people like me, and people i know, didnt bother to miss out on that money, for the luxury of standing in line for hours. they were able to go out that weekend, they didnt have understanding bosses, but they didnt vote even though they wanted too.


we need to change this system

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It must be nice to be sure you're smarter than everyone you disagree with. I know that when I attend a business meeting and I disagree with someone, the best course of action is to always call them an "idiot". Obviously, if people don't see things my way, they're all ****ing idiots-- even if there are millions of them.

Screw it, I'm going to think that way from now one.

Like those idiot Muslims. Idiots. Jesus Christ is God, and you're an idiot if you think otherwise.

Or the 30 million homosexuals in this country! Idiots. There's no fooling mother nature.

Or Russians. What kind of a ****ing idiot would want to live in Russia? They should all move here. Idiots.

Oh God, what about people who fish? Idiots! What a stupid waste of time. I'm smart enough to know better. Why aren't they? Idiots.

You idiots who play Les Pauls-- you're stupid. Everyone knows the Fender Stratocaster's the best guitar ever made.

Man this feels good! I don't even have to consider the possibility that these people disagree with me on an intellectual basis.

They're just idiots!

[This message has been edited by BrianKagy (edited December 10, 2000).]

 

Never heard you saying this to TheFreak when he kept calling the Florida voters morons, and if the morons couldn't figure out a ballot they shouldn't vote, blah, blah, blah.

I really don't think that Bush voters are idiots, I just think it's idiotic to vote for someone because of how they look on camera (especially when he looks like an idiot), or because you'd rather have a beer with him. I know not all Bush voters feel that way, but I have seen polls that suggest that many (not the majority) people voted or were going to vote for Bush for those reasons alone.

That is idiotic.

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Geez, how do you think Clinton got elected? He was not a stellar governor. Bob Dole and George Bush were the mean old men, and Clinton was more charming. Just like Reagan. Just like Kennedy/Nixon. The people that listened to their debate thought Nixon won, and the ones who watched it on TV thought Kennedy won. By your own admission it was idiotic to elect Bill Clinton. Do you think most voters actually know what the issues are?

 

Kagy, I know you were busy at work.

Freak, yes, if that's the only reason why people voted for Clinton, that's idiotic.

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Fender Stratocasters are the best guitars ever made, although they are tied with Telecasters.

Rocketman95: I agree it's idiotic to vote for a guy based on the way he looks. Unfortunately, I suspect that is a growing trend, and it's been going that way for a while--on both sides. Who was the last fat, bald, sight-impaired president? "Never mind his ideals, does he look good in navy blue and maroon?"

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Or if you really liked the way he mashed face with his tater-hog wife at the convention, right?

 

Yep, that's when Gore received his biggest jump in the polls.

 

You know, people who make a lot of money also oftentimes work very hard. For example, my father works at least 60 hours a week and he's on his feet pretty well the whole time. There are times when he has to get up in the middle of the night to go to work when work has to be done. Just because he gets paid well for his job doesn't mean that his work isn't exhausting.

As for not being able to find the time to vote or being tired, perhaps these folks can look into voting early (in Texas). When I've voted early, there was no line at all. There is also the option of absentee voting. The qualifications for voting by absentee vary from state to state, but it's something worth checking in to if one really wants to have a voice in the political process.

People have their own excuses for not voting, and most of them are just that: excuses. For most of these people, if they really wanted to vote, they could find a way.

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I never intended to imply that wealthy people dont work hard or get tired. that would be crazy. but the point is that your father could afford to take that day off of work in order to vote. manny people cant.

as far as voting early, the people im refering to wake at 5am, and work till 6 pm. I average 10 hour days in winter, and more in summers. many people work harder than I do. I do not care about the single vote that is not cast by a hard working person, butthe millions of hard working poor, that have more obligations than time. Also the polling stations with the greatest lines are ALWAYS in the poorest neighbourhoods. (thats because the poor dont have the time, or resources to be able to volunteer to work at the polling stations.)

ok have at me now...

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My father can't (and doesn't) take a day off to go vote. It is my experience that patients get exceptionally cranky when they receive surgery without anesthesia. And his hours are usually 6am til at least 8pm or later (with a half day clinic every Saturday and some clinics at the prison on some weekends).

If he can find a way to fit in a trip to the polling place, I guarantee you that nearly everyone can.

What is your solution? Make employers give eligible voters time off to go and vote on all election days? I suspect a great many people who don't vote now would still not vote if given paid time off from work to go vote. (Even just having elections on Saturday isn't enough. An extremely small percentage of voters come out to vote in our municipal elections, which are always held on Saturdays. And Saturdays are available for early voting.)

Considering that there are usually at least two weeks worth of days that a person in Texas can go to the polls and vote early, the excuses for not voting are pretty thin for the vast majority of non-voters. (And let's remember that a very large percentage of people don't even make an attempt to try to find time to vote. They don't even register to vote).

If people don't care enough about the electoral process to take the minor time to go to the polls once every four years to vote for President, then that's their problem. And any excuse is just an excuse. If you can't find an hour out of two weeks every four years to go cast your vote, you just aren't trying hard enough.

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I think Gore's future depends on how he handles the defeat. If he keeps on fighting it after the fact (and or complaining about it on the talk circuit) I think he will (or maybe already is) perceived as a sore loser. If he handles it with class their is a chance he can stay in the game. But I'm not sure even if he handles it with class if that will even work. The Dems will surely look for someoen who can beat Bush, someone who is possibly less liberal to take back some of the votes that Bush took from the Clinton voters.

 

Mrpaige,
YOU MUST HAVE NO IDEA WHAT IT IS LIKE TO BE POOR.

A solution that I agree with would include a fell weekend of voting. an election weekend. campaigning stops on friday at midnight. voting begins on friday at midnight. all polls open at the same tinme regardless of time zone. all polls close 48 hours later regardless of time zone.

all voting equipment be standardized across the country for national elections. states, counties, towns cities, and villages still can run their local elections how they see fit.

outlaw the use of exit polls, or make the exit poller set up more than 500 ft from polling station just like campaigners have to be. hold media responcible for inacurate reporting during "open polls" period. subject violators to heavy fines.

also we should seriously look into why we have an electoral collage, and if the system still warents the collage. technology has advanced so much, that a direct democracy is not just possible, but its feasable. we use termn like popular vote... Isnt that just the ACTUAL VOTE.

does this seem a little harsh??

dot if you concider that we are electing the most powerfull person in the world. also we are the symbol of democracy, so we should act accordingly. NO election should go to the courts.

PEACE

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For both parties and canidates IT WAS TOO CLOSE, regardless of who wins, who really won and why, If you couldn't "close the deal" this go 'round you will certainly not be given the chance again.

No one cares enough about either one of these goons. W. is no Sr. (who was NO Reagan) And Gore's no Willie.

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