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No Standing O for Bush

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by rimrocker, Mar 9, 2003.

  1. rimrocker

    rimrocker Member

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    This guy's going to commit us to war and he doesn't have the guts to go talk to people who disagree with him unless they pretend they do agree?
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    BUSH: CLAP ME OR NO EU SPEECH

    Mar 8 2003

    By Paul Gilfeather

    GEORGE Bush pulled out of a speech to the European Parliament when MEPs wouldn't guarantee a standing ovation.

    Senior White House officials said the President would only go to Strasbourg to talk about Iraq if he had a stage-managed welcome.

    A source close to negotiations said last night: "President Bush agreed to a speech but insisted he get a standing ovation like at the State of the Union address.

    "His people also insisted there were no protests, or heckling.

    "I believe it would be a crucial speech for Mr Bush to make in light of the opposition here to war. But unless he only gets adulation and praise, then it will never happen."

    Mr Bush's every appearance in the US is stage-managed, with audiences full of supporters.

    It was hoped he would speak after he welcomed Warsaw pact nations to Nato in Prague last November. But his refusal to speak to EU leaders face-to-face is seen as a key factor in the split between the US-UK coalition and Europe.

    The source added: "Relations between the EU and the US are worsening fast - this won't help."

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/allnews/page.cfm?objectid=12713155&method=full&siteid=50143
     
  2. ZRB

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    I can't wait for the republicans on the board to explain this...
     
  3. Roc Paint

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    It really doesn't matter wether or not you the people think this region is a threat or not, because we are going to stomp a mud hole in their *** anyway.

    USA
     
  4. robbie380

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    ok this just seems odd and quite frankly doesn't make much sense. also the mirror is a tabloid...give a reliable source.
     
  5. The Real Shady

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    A tabloid from the uk..............:rolleyes:
     
  6. 4chuckie

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    Exactly, thank you robbie.

    Maybe somone can find an Enquirer article that says Saddam does have WMD so we can goto war!
     
  7. Cohen

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    I'll take you up on that, whether I'm a Republican or not... :rolleyes: ...

    Mirror Page 1 News: 'Not in Our Name - Daily Mirror
    Click here to register your oppoistion To war on Iraq without UN backing'


    ...(oh yeah, and don't worry,we're unbiased in our reporting) :rolleyes:

    You can believe it if you'd like ZRB. I'll wait until someone else reports the story.
     
  8. Bailey

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    You can hardly blame a newspaper for representing the views of 85% of the population...
     
  9. Cohen

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    We can't?

    Journalism: The style of writing characteristic of material in newspapers and magazines, consisting of direct presentation of facts or occurrences with little attempt at analysis or interpretation.
     
  10. Chance

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    Gladly.

    Paul Gilfeather...Now he's a well respected, well rounded journalist, right? Hmm... I wonder if this is the dame Paul Gilfeather than won the prestigious Bigot of the Year 2000 Award? Judging by content I would a say yes! It is the same guy! I wonder if this is the same tree hugging whack job that reported this startling piece of news! I think so! Now I hate to challenge another man's character with quotes from an obscure website so I won't . Oh wait, rimrocket did so I guess it's o.k. Quick Excerpt
    (do a page search for Gilf and it'll go right to it.) You should be more careful with your hat hanging selections. This guys is nobody. To his credit, I found three articles out there about him. No Bio's, but 3 articles. And I found a couple hundred articles where he was quoted. Mostly by leftist websites (Greenpeace for one) All of the quotes were drawn from the same couple of articles.

    So I challenge the authenticity of the quote.I think it's a bunch of ****.

    Actually, there is a much stronger reason why I think it's horsesh!t. This article came out yesterday. If it were true, a real reporter would have found it. That same real reporter would have run with it. And the rest of the real press would be all over it this morning. And as I watch CNN, I see no reference to it. So it's crap.
     
  11. 4chuckie

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    Which population? US citizens or World population?

    If it's US then you're totally wrong, most polls I have saws is about 50-50% (or into thirds if the answer is goto war w/o UN approval, goto war w/ UN approval, not goto war)

    As for the world I also don't think it's 85%. Maybe it's 85% of the Iraq population or 85% of the terrorists don't want their safe harbor blown up. You see alot of people out protesting and that's their right. But there are many more people sitting at home waiting for Saddam to be ousted.
     
  12. DuncanIdaho

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    Wow! That was a thourough victory. Smacks a little of the Bashar Miles Teg himself.
     
  13. Bailey

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    The UK population, which is where the Mirror is published. The latest survey I saw (published on Sunday) said that the approval rating for war without a further UN resolution was 15%.

    Cohen:

    Newspapers have long since had to provide interpretation and analysis of events. If they don't, they will fail, as they cannot compete with the timeliness of TV/radio news.

    And they have to sell copies, and 85% of the UK population agree with their campaign.
     
  14. Refman

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    Ah...but journalistic analysis and a "campaign" are two very different things. The latter obliterates a chance for anything meaningful coming of the former.
     
  15. jello77

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    im sorry, but you are a little off.

    first of all, dont look at the 50-50 government polls. most of chicago, where i live, is totally anti-war. we had a poll at my high school and it was 80-20 in favor of NOT going to war. as for the rest of the world, if anything it is higher then 85%. in england they call tony blair 'bush's b****'. i really dont know tht many people that are for the war. saddam hussein is a bull**** excuse. we (usa) support alot of countries that have dictators.

    the other thing i would like to say is that if you are pro-war, then YOU can go to war. you can go ahead and fight...if they ever re-open the draft, i will be the prime age to get drafted. i think if you are for this war, be my guest. go ahead.
     
  16. treeman

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    jello77

    Hey dumbass, I am in the military and there is a significant (though dwindling as time moves on) chance that I could be sent over there. You know what? I would go without a peep because I - like 98% of the rest of the military - understand why we are going to war and believe that it is a good cause.

    I also do not personally know anyone who is against the war (in either state, Texas or Colorado). Maybe it's just the company I keep, or maybe a significant number of people actually *do* support action? I dunno. I don't hang out with any brain-dead, pot-smoking high schoolers, though, so maybe that has something to do with it?

    I do know this: as someone in the military who might actually go, and who has friends over there right now who will soon be engaged in combat, I can say that fu*king idiotic comments like yours are not at all welcome. They merely disgrace our military and make you look like a moron, that is all. Not welcome at all...

    free speech is a wonderful thing, isn't it?
     
  17. Jeff

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    He didn't insult you personally so back off. You know better.

    On the topic at hand, c'mon rimrocker. Don't post tabloid heresay. True or not, this sounds pretty farfetched.

    Chance actually showed how flawed things like this can be just by showing the source. Hey, Chance, I'll give you a dollar if you do the same thing with the next conservative propoganda post. :D
     
  18. CometsCrazy

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    Geez...It's nice to see that we have such mature and well rounded citizens in our US military. Hey treeman...freedom of speech goes both ways.
     
  19. SmeggySmeg

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    Maybe he should play some his back catalogue which are the fan favourites and not just the stuff off the new album
     
  20. jello77

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    did i hurt your feelings treeman? come on. tell me how you REALLY feel.
     

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