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No Replay, No Fair call

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by flamingdts, Apr 30, 2008.

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Are you willing to wait 10 seconds for the officials to review a call?

  1. Yes, 10 seconds is nothing

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  2. No, the game becomes boring like this.

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  1. flamingdts

    flamingdts Member

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    If some of you guys seen the highlights from the Spurs-Suns Series. Seems like the Suns had their game winning oppourtunity taken away from them. With about 24 seconds left in the clock, Steve Nash received the inbounds but had it knocked away from him by bowen. Obviously, the refs claimed the ball came off nash, but from the replay, its obvious Bowen knocked the ball off. Bias or not, that call is almost impossible to judge with human eyes.

    Again, we had the same treatment in game 4. Battier locked up Korver when Korver received the inbounds. Not only that, but Korver stepped out of bounds. Once again the call was against us, and the referee was standing on the left whiles battier tied korver up from the right. If replaying was possible, then it would've applied to that play because Korver stepped out of bounds. But of course..... since we don't have replay, we didn't get our fair call.

    This isn't soccer. The court is much smaller, and the replay can be viewed immediately. I would gladly wait 10 seconds just to make sure the right call was made on both teams.

    In my opinion, the referees have already made 3 game winning calls that I know of. Game 2, Kirlenko flopped and Bobby hit a three. Reviewing the call will not affect the game because Jackson scored already. Game 4, Battier ties korver and korver steps out of bound. Reviewing the call will also not affect the game because korver stepped out of bounds anyways. Spurs-Suns series, Bowen knocked the ball off steve nash hands but posession goes to Spurs. Reviewing the call will not affect the game because the ball has been knocked out of bounds already.

    If the league allows officials to review game winning shots and call for any missed fouls after the buzzer, why can't they do that throughout the entire game. It won't take 10 seconds.
     
  2. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    They could put an extra ref in a box with a button to signal the on court officials......

    I would liked to have had the Finley out of bounds play reviewed in 2005.

    DD
     
  3. Rockets1616

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    Exactly, just have other refs in a box where they could immediately tell the court refs what the right call was.
     
  4. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    Then they probably would have also reviewed the rebound basket by Landry where he appeared to clearly have committed offensive goal tending.
     
  5. flamingdts

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    But the failed calls on the rockets outweight those of the Jazz.
     
  6. TECH

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    Fair is fair.
     
  7. TECH

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    The refs being able to go back and see some players acting jobs, would make those players think twice about it.
    The refs should take it as an insult to their intelligence to see this flopping day in and day out.
     
  8. count_dough-ku

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    Do it like instant replay in the NFL. If the refs decide the disputed call will stand, then it costs the team that challenged it a full timeout. If you're out of timeouts, you don't get to challenge. That sounds fair.

    Either way, the league needs to address 2 issues this offseason:

    1) The flopping. Give the refs the right to T up a player who blatently flops. It'll severely weaken the Jazz and Spurs, but it'll make the game as a whole much more entertaining(and less frustrating) to watch.

    2) The Hack-a-Shaq strategy. They need to change the rule so that if you intentionally foul a player when he doesn't have the ball, the other team gets one free throw and retains possession. No, I don't think a pisspoor foul shooter like Shaq(or Brian Skinner) should be protected by the league, but we also can't have the game slowing to a crawl because of this type of "defense". The Rockets/Jazz and Spurs/Suns games tipped off at virtually the same time last night, yet when our game was at the half, the Spurs/Suns matchup was only halfway through the 2nd quarter thanks to the constant trips to the foul line.
     
  9. EGYPT

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    This is different than football, a ref in a box would not have enough time to replay the spot before a team gets the rebound and go on attacking the other basket. In football however, after every play the game stops for he players to get back to their positions and that gives enough time for the ref to view a replay. Even with an interception it takes usually about 10-20 seconds before a score can happen if it ever does and that is not the same way in basketball it is quick, you can have 20 points in 20 seconds for both teams in the NBA .
     
  10. flamingdts

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    Reviewing a call won't take 15 seconds. Watch their special T.V, and make the right call. It won't slow the game down by a minute each time.
     
  11. Champ Caliber

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    Doesn't matter. The ball don't lie. We got a free putback from Landry. Deron misses two free throws and they get the offensive rebound.
     
  12. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    Spoken like a true Rockets fan. The refs have made some really bad calls in this series and they have gone both ways. The calls at the end of the game are just more magnified. Had Houston pulled out game 4, the offensive goaltending by Landry would have been a huge non-call and would have seemingly been the call that cost Utah a victory.

    The fact of the matter is had the Rockets shot better than 36% in game one and three and made some free throws in game 2, they would be getting ready to play the Lakers.
     
  13. flamingdts

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    That was pretty much it. What about Kirlenko's flop, Korver stepping out of bounds, and tons of other game deciding calls.
     
  14. RocketsAddict

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    we should follow the format like in tennis. you can challenge a call, if it aint right, you lose a timeout.
     
  15. Mr. Mooch

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    Agreed. The 5th fouls on Shaq and Amare last night were absurd. Parker drove to the basket, wasn't touched and flung the ball into the 3rd row...and THEN he has the audacity later to go after Bell after a GOOD HARD foul. Attention Tony: BASKETBALL IS A CONTACT SPORT (more on this later). DID YOU NOT WATCH THE NBA AS A CHILD?; as Bob Brenley would say, that's chicken****.

    Regarding replays...I'd rather the RIGHT call be made and not negatively influence the game with potential NFL-style timeout forfeitures. There's no question the game is called differently later than in the beginning; everything is more scrutinized. Because of this, replays should only be allowed in the last two minutes.

    Regarding fouls in general (such as Kirilenko's flop in game two), I just don't see how they could be reviewed and overturned...plus the foul was called before Jackson's shot, meaning at best it would be an inbounds play for Houston.

    Nevertheless, there was contact by Scola on Kirilenko. Basketball IS still a contact sport (although with chicken**** players like Ginobili, Parker, Horry, Kirilenko, Harpring, and The Gay Elf, this sentiment is dying), but even that small jut of Scola's arm would be upheld as a foul if reviewed.

    What I'd like to see in the NBA:
    • Discretionary technical foul calls by referees on players that are deemed to flop
    • Less whining by players (the "Detlef Schrempf Syndrome")
    • A refereeing system with testicles (one that allows for the 3 "Wise Men" to huddle and consult each other during games, like in the NFL, in order to make the RIGHT call)
    • +2 referees. Because this will never happen (even though the quality and integrity of refereeing in both college and the NBA is beyond piss poor) then a replay system to, at the very least, review possession, loose ball fouls, foot-on-the-line or not (already in place), and made shots at clock expirations (already in place)
     
  16. GranvilleWaders

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    I think Okur went over Landry's back to get that HUGE rebound in game 4. Check it out.
     
  17. whoisray

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    In the playoffs, a correct call is far more important than a quick call.
     
  18. count_dough-ku

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    Nah, the Rockets just blew that one. T-Mac tipped it and neither he nor Landry could come up with it.
     
  19. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    Has anyone seen a replay challenge in the NFL? 10 seconds is a VERY optimistic estimate of replay delays. That is not to say that I don't support instant replay.
     
  20. RocketsAddict

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    GREAT POINT.
     

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