I dont mean to be bitter... but considering houston is the fourth largest city in the United States dont you think our city is disrespected a lot of the time. i mean for some reason Dallas is head and shoulders above houston for whatever reason? can some explain this to me. For instance you look on a weather map in the morning and it shows the temp for DFW but not for houston. why? we have more people. i mean the media talks more about detroit philadelphia san francisco cleveland seattle a whole lot more than houston. is it the site seeing is it because we have sauna like weather or what. we are the 4th largest city in the nation and it just seems like we are miluakee or boise. can someone give me their thoughts on this? or do you even agree with me at all? ------------------ Paranoid, trying to stuff the void.
While the city of Houston has more people than the city of Dallas. The DFW Metroplex has more people than the Greater Houston market. Being the 4th largest city is actually kind of a meaningless distinction, as nearly all people consider the suburbs of a city to be part of that city (even though the suburbs are not counted in the city's population proper). The Houston metro area is further down the population ranking list (at 11, last I checked). I've always thought the insistance of Houstonians to continually draw attention to the fact that Houston is the nation's 4th largest city pointed to a serious inferiority complex. I've noticed a good bit of that in regards to the way many Houstonians think about Dallas. There's often a genuine hatred there, and many Houstonians see some sort of rivalry between Houston and Dallas. So much of what gets done in Houston is compared to Dallas by Houstonians. I don't see that at all in Dallas. I rarely ever hear Houston mentioned at all in any conversation about anything. Perhaps I'm just hanging out with the wrong people, but that's just been my personal experience (your own mileage may vary). San Antonio is the nation's 9th largest city (and larger than the city of Dallas proper), but they get even less attention than Houston does. I will also admit that I hear virtually nothing about Cleveland and little about Seattle anymore (since the grunge thing faded, people have focused less on Seattle that I've noticed). Detroit, Philly and San Francisco are all larger markets than Houston. ------------------ Houston Sports Board Film Dallas.com AntiBud.com [This message has been edited by mrpaige (edited May 29, 2001).]
Dallas gets most of its notoriety from a few things such as the tv show Dallas, the Cowboys, the largest (depending on who you ask) airport in the US in terms of air traffic, and a center for the tech boom; more specifically one of the 2 or 3 major hubs in the US for the telecom boom. Houston is and will always be regarded as an "oil city". No matter what else is there, that's pretty much all people think about. I have to agree with mrpaige, there's more talk of Dallas-haters in Houston than the reverse from what I see after living in both cities. ------------------ "Light travels faster than sound, so some people appear to be bright until you hear them speak." -- Brian Williams (now Bison Dele) commenting on Isiah Thomas.
In all honesty, most big cities have that inferiority complex except NYC where they tell you to **** off if you say something and LA where they just don't pay attention. Last year, I talked to tons of people from around the country who felt the same about their cities: no respect. The Dallas Metroplex is bigger but Harris County is the second largest county in the US behind LA County I believe. However, livability is rarely measured in numbers. In fact, most ratings place Houston near the top for the low cost of living and friendly atmosphere. We rated #2 in the country in "politeness" in a sociological study done of the 50 most populus cities in America a couple of years ago. ------------------ The internet is about the free exchange and sale of other people's ideas. - Futurama
I don't know guys, but I think it's possibly due to the fact that Houston smells like fart. ------------------ Jazzkiller
Houston & The Rockets are the Rodney Dangerfield's of cities and NBA teams... "No respect." rH ------------------ visit: The Psychedelic Groove House of Rockets Basketball Love!
a sick monkey wrote: "maybe its because houston smells like fart?" nah... that's Texas City or Baytown or Galveston during red tide season... rH ------------------ visit: The Psychedelic Groove House of Rockets Basketball Love!
oh ur a funny one aintcha? ha- ha- haha=) houston does smell like fart! i would know i do live here!! ------------------ i am my own worst enemy!
That's weird because over here, all I hear about is Seattle! ------------------ The Protrolls.com message boards! Protrolls.com! And his ghost can be heard as you pass by that billabong: "All I fricking did was steal a bloody little sheep!"
You know, I've always heard about the Houston/Dallas rivalry. Growing up, I though it was pretty much just a sports thing that started with the Oilers and Cowboys and just progressed into other things since the two largest Texas cities are natural rivals anyway. I always heard nothing but good-natured jibes from people, certainly nothing mean or disrespectful...until I got to college, anyway. A good friend of mine was from Dallas and all he did was talk ****. He was the epitome of the "Dallas People" I'd heard about my whole life but never actually met. I actually had a lot of fun arguing with him over "my home town is better than your home town." Yeah, it does seem that Dallas gets most of the attention. So be it. The only way to get more respect is to do something to earn more respect. Until we do something about our image as far as pollution and traffic are concerned, and until we get some competent people in charge of this city, we won't get any respect. Here's a fact for you: Houston has more individual millionaires than any other city in the country. ------------------ "I have no regrets except that I wasn't up to keep Randy from getting on that plane." --Ozzy Osbourne on guitarist Randy Rhodes [This message has been edited by Lynus302 (edited May 30, 2001).]
Dallas has always tried to portray themselves as cosmopolitan and more New York than Houston has. Go out to dinner in Dallas and everyone is dressed up...go to comparable restaurants in Houston, and people are dressed down. Houston is just far more casual and its citizens don't seem to take themselves quite as seriously. The most arrogant folks in the world are from Dallas and Atlanta!! They constantly brag about "we have a new this or that." But in the words of my close friend from law school: "yeah...but you have to live there with those miserable people!" Couldn't agree more. Maybe they're trying WAY too hard to be like New York! Obviously Dallas is a bigger media market, which ultimately means they get more publicity through the national media. As for problems...Dallas has some big ones...not the least of which is the fact the tax base is screwed up. Very few people actually live in Dallas...but they do come to town each day to work in their jobs! Obviously this erodes the tax base and makes it difficult to provide quality schools and city services. Dallas tends to focus on the image-concious amenities more than most towns (again, a lot like Atlanta). In my humble opinion...Houston is a far better place to live, mainly because of the great people who live here. I could care less that the East Coast media doesn't recognize that! I don't want them moving here, anyway! ------------------
Few things, Paige, I lived in Dallas for four years and always heard anti-Houston talk. As a matter of fact, I think the Observer (or the other one -- forget the name) had a cover story entitled "Hate Houston." The article was about why Dallasites, for some unknown reason, hate Houston. More generally, Dallas was the cultural leader/largest city in Texas for some time. They have since been passed in both areas by Houston. Dallasites, however, do not want to admit that. I guess that is where a lot of the rivalry originates. Dallas also gets written up every now and then as one of the best places to live. personally, I hated Dallas. All generic chains, financial snobs, no good restaurants, left me with a bad taste. Max, Having now lived in Atlanta for a few months, I can say that I do not see what you are talking about. True, Atlanta has tried to bring itself up, there was a period of wanting to be th "NY of the south." For the most part, however, I find the attitude to be more subdued. The biggest problem with Atlanta is that there is a lot of wealth and excess in the north, but the south (where most blacks -- despite comprising 70% of the pop -- live) is very depressed. ------------------ "You sanctimonious philistines, who scoff at me!"
Dallas sucks cause of their zoning laws... I was there once and had to drive through miles of neighborhood just to get to a convenience store! That sucks... I like walking out of my house, down the street to the corner store... Dallas bites. rH ------------------ visit: The Psychedelic Groove House of Rockets Basketball Love!
Mr. Paige; Actually, the DFW Metroplex is considered an MSA (Metropolitan Statistical Area) While the DFW Metroplex is larger than the City of Houston, the Houston MSA is still larger the the DFW area. (At last check, by more than 200,000) These statistics are at any library, (I had a bet about this a year ago with my friend) The 11th you are referring to is known as Houston's "Media Market" size, and I can tell you, it has Einsteinien formulas on how it is obtained. (Laymen's way is essentially proportionate to size of the City, to market share of games watched in that city, to market share of surrounding communities watching said cities team, etc., etc., etc., ugh!) Houston's being 11th has a lot to do with our City being fickle with our sports teams, rather than a lot of "blue collar" towns, who live and die by their teams successes and failures. (Being a native Houstonian, I wish people cared more in this town) ESPN just had a poll in Houston as to who our favorite team was, and their poll said our favorite team was the friggin' Cowboy's, for chrissake! Anywho, just clarifying. But I don't feel that Houston gets the props it deserves. ------------------ "I never did like that "Dr. Stupid""-Monty Burns
Like I said, maybe I'm hanging out with the wrong people because I've not heard such talk from anyone in the Metroplex I know (and I live there now). Of course, I've not noticed that Houston and Dallas are really all that different. I've laughed to myself that Houston was like Bizarro Dallas. Exactly the same except for a few variations (things like baseball being played indoors, for example, or the fact that D/FW is a bunch of cities both large and smallish, while Houston is mostly just one big city with some smaller cities surrounding it). (I will also note again that Houston has not passed Dallas as the largest city anytime recently. Houston, the city, has been larger than Dallas since about 1930, if not earlier. Are you suggesting that Dallasites aren't yet over something that happened over 70 years ago? And D/FW is still the larger metro area). I think you're asking a lot if you want Dallasites to admit that the smaller Houston metro area is larger than the Dallas metro area. Perhaps the rivalry is based on Houstonians not knowing how to tell whether one number is bigger than another). Also, I don't see any rivalry between Dallas and San Antonio now that San Antonio is a larger city than Dallas? If Dallasites are still upset about Houston passing Dallas in population over 70 years ago, you'd think Dallas would be really upset about San Antonio passing Dallas just four years ago. ------------------ Houston Sports Board Film Dallas.com AntiBud.com
Rimmy; Dallas being the cultural leader is debateably correct. However, Houston surpassed Galveston in the 1910 census (for obvious reasons) and has been the largest city in Texas ever since. It was also the Capital of Texas for a few years. Just letting you know. ------------------ "I never did like that "Dr. Stupid""-Monty Burns
So, these are different MSA numbers than the MSA numbers that the Census Bureau uses. Because the Census Bureau's most recent numbers on their website have the D/FW MSA listed as having a population of 4,909,523, and they list the Houston MSA as having a population of 4,493,741. So the Census Bureau is wrong and counting the MSA populations differently than what the truth is? Why do we even have a Census Bureau at all then? Their whole job is to count people, and they apparently can't even do that right since their numbers are obviously far off from the truth if the Houston MSA is larger than the Dallas/Fort Worth MSA. http://www.census.gov/population/estimates/metro-city/ma99-01.txt ------------------ Houston Sports Board Film Dallas.com AntiBud.com
And media markets are determined by the number of television households. These market rankings have nothing to do with the sports teams and aren't even devised with anything to do with the sports teams. AC Nielson counts the number of households with TVs in the market and ranks them accordingly. And the Census Bureau lists Houston as the 10th largest MSA (and Dallas as 9th, though we now know that the Census Bureau somehow lost 700,000 Houstonians somewhere). ------------------ Houston Sports Board Film Dallas.com AntiBud.com [This message has been edited by mrpaige (edited May 31, 2001).]
Just wanted to say the low-cost-of-living line is the worst of the three types of lies. I lived in Chicago for many years before finally returning to Houston about a hlf-year ago. In so doing, my salary went up by about a third. But my expenses went up about as much to maintain my standard of living. I don't think products in Houston are cheaper, they're just crappier. I can get stuff more cheaply in Houston than I could in Chicago, but the quality would fall through the floor. But about the subject at hand: I agree, no respect! ------------------ RealGM Gafford Art Artisan Cakes
