Before you get your shorts in a bunch, let me say this. Yes, I am the president of the Chucky Brown Fan Club. No denying that. But I write this message as a Rocket fan, not a CB fan. In fact, the CBFC is way more powerful in Carolina and Frisco, but those teams – while good matches for the Fan Club logistically speaking – are not a good match. After spending careful time analyzing the Rockets situation and the Mo Taylor business – and Chucky’s situation – I absolutely believe the Rox should re-sign Chucky. Here is why. Every team needs its stars, its go-to guys. But just as important as the All Stars are the blue collar types, the role players. The Rocket – and Bulls – championships are a testament to the need for complementary players to the stars. With Taylor, Francis, Mobley and Dream, we have enough folks who will want the rock- the Rockets have enough scorers now, maybe even too many. We absolutely do not need anyone else demanding shots or specializing in point production. We do need more fill-in-the-gaps brand players – versatile guys who can play defense, spell the starters and provide quality minutes. One could probably argue that Chucky Brown would be a better fit in the starting lineup than Walt now that we have Mo, - Chucky is an absolutely solid defender, can play either 3s or 4s tough, and has an awesome work ethic. I totally understand the non-glamour aspect of Chucky, but that is the beauty of it. The Rockets have their nucleus. Kenny Thomas is going to be a great player, but he is a four, not a three – and he does not have Chucky’s outside touch (Chucky shot 54.1% during his year as a starter, FYI) nor the experience. Chucky can not be left alone on offense, and is always regarded as a positive influence in the locker room. He is the ultimate utility guy – to quote his agent, he is George Lynch, he is Sam Mitchell. The other thing is, Chucky always helps a team win. Always. He may not get the glory, but watch his tenure in Houston, San Antonio, Charlotte, and Atlanta. When dude plays, the team wins. So if it is down to the likes of Matt Bullard, Dan Langhi Walt Williams – at this point, I would take Chucky in a flash if I am the Rockets. He will play for a million bucks, plays great D, never b****es, and can score. He is a better fit than those three, even Walt now that we have Mo. He rules, we rule, we should sign him. If you have not checked out our website, go to <a href=http//www.chuckybrownfanclub.com>www.chuckybrownfanclub.com</a> and read the interview with his agent Bill Neff, he talks about Houston. He says there is no chance, but believe me, I am way serious this time. CBFC ------------------
Great post. I don't know about Chucky being able to defend the "3" though. Last year he had Duncan and Robinson to cover his mistakes defensively. Now that we have Langhi, I think I'd definitely take Chucky over Bullard though. If Walt wasn't with us, it would be a much better situation for Chucky. Also, if we were a little closer to contending, he'd be a great fit. I would be ecstatic if we brought him on board though (if all that makes any sense). I don't see it happening, but I applaud you for throwing the idea out there.
Let's use the Sam Mack approach on this. Let's have Walt Williams, Dan Langhi, and Chucky Brown play one on one games against each other and give the most PT to the player who comes on top. ------------------
I completley agree, we need more guys with the attitude and workmanlike effort of Rogers and Pig Miller. Chucky is exactly that. Plus, he has game. Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't the Heat reportedly set to sign him? Azim da Dream ------------------ We don't live for the destination. We live for the journey. http://www.clutchtown.com
Azim - For real? Its news to me. Where did you hear that? Riley would love him. . . CBFC ------------------ ps - and by the way, Rock, Chucky would kick those guys' asses [This message has been edited by CBrownFanClub (edited August 31, 2000).]
Walt has done nothing but make us lose. I understand that he played well in the end, but that really seems irrelevant because that does not mean he'll play well next season; His whole carreer has flowed up and down. We can't afford that crap again. He's going to suck again next year, so lets trash him. Good post cbfc fro- ------------------
Great post CBFC. He'd be a perfect fit with his 6'8 slender body. Doesn't demand the ball and works hard on the glass for second shots. Having Chucky at the small forward would help in covering up the rebounding inabilities of Taylor-Cato. Now that we've resigned Mobley and signed Taylor, this is exactly the type of player we should be focusing on. ------------------ Mo money, Mo problems...
Chucky is definatley solid!! Too bad he went in the trade to get Barkley. But why don't the Rockets resign him when they have had a chance to do so. Or do the Rockets want to continue to build a 3 pt shooting team? If that is the Case Williams is the man. But Chuck is a top 5 utility man in this league, playing both the PF and SF. ------------------ The guns are cocked and the soldiers are in place, it's time to march and let the battles decide the war.
Ok, you started it, CBrownFanClub. Now let me try to draw up my masterplan to get my favorite player (Det The Threat ) to my favorite team, the Rockets : I. The plan: Trade Walt, Kenny T, Rogers, Drew, Pig Miller (sign+trade) and Collier for Schrempf, Bradley, Harvey and Barros (in two separate trades) 1. First Trade I think the Rockets should trade Drew and Kenny T for Detlef Schrempf. Det should tutor Dan Langhi (Dan is a great shooter, but could learn from Det's versatility) and back up Mo Taylor at the PF position. That would make Walt expendable. Schrempf is also in the last year of his contract, which would be good to free cap space after next season. 2. Second Trade Then trade Walt, Rogers, Collier and Pig Miller (sign+trade) for Shawn Bradley, Donnell Harvey and Dana Barros from Dallas, (Bradley and Barros are also in the last year of their contracts). II. Why it makes sense for this season: 1. Det still is a better shooter, rebounder, passer and defender and more focused player than Walt (I think you would find out that the Blazers did better when Det was on the court than when Pippen was, if you dug deep into the stats). 2. We can joke all we want about Bradley, but imagine him and Dream or Cato (or all three for stretches!) guarding the basket together and think about all the fast-break-opportunities for Stevie and Cat from blocked shots. Also, Harvey is supposed to be a rebounding-machine. With Cato and Mo not exactly being rebounding specialists, that aspect could be a valuable addition. 3. We really would not lose much. PG:I guess I don't need to say much about Drew. He is a nice guy and could be a decent backup PG in the NBA, but Francis and Moochie have that spot covered. SF:Walt is a decent SF, but I think that Schrempf would be more than adequate to replace him and it would be a way to free a lot of cap space and go after our future SF after this season. PF:Rogers is a decent hustler, but he is not the future. Harvey might become someone like Fortson or Jerome Williams and definitely has more potential than Rogers. I personally like Kenny Thomas, he is a bargain and I think that he will be a pretty good PF, but it does look as if Mo will be the starting PF for the Rockets for years to come and thus Kenny should go. C:I don't think Collier will be a great NBA player, so I would not see that as a big loss. I think that for this season Bradley will be far more valuable and after this season, the money from creating free cap space can get us a better player than Collier. III. Lineup this season (with projected minutes): PG: Francis (38), Moochie (7), Mobley (3) SG: Anderson (20), Mobley (28), Barros (-) SF: Schrempf (20), Langhi (15), Anderson (10), Bullard (3) PF: Taylor (35), Harvey (7), Schrempf (6) C: Hakeem (20), Cato (15), Bradley (13) IMHO, that would be the perfect mix of youth and experience and we would have a shot at the title this season. Barros could spend most of the season on the IR, as far as I am concerned. IV. Would it work and would they do it? I think that what I proposed, as absurd as it sounds, should work cap-wise, if NBATALK's salary information is correct 1. First trade: Drew + Kenny T = about $ 2,3 million, Schrempf about $ 2 million ---> I think Portland would do it, because they could need another decent backup PG if Anthony goes down, they don't really trust Stoudamire, also, they just traded away almost all their young talent and Schrempf would not play a big role on their team anymore anyway. Schrempf originally wanted to stay near Seattle, but he wants to play on a team that could win a championship. While Portland has a shot at that, he would not play much at all, so he might prefer coming to Houston. With these trades, Houston would have a shot AND he would get to play much more. 2. Second trade Walt + Rogers + Collier + Pig Miller (sign for $ 1 million + trade) = about $ 9,7 million, Bradley + Harvey + Barros = about $ 10,1 million)---> I think they might do it because they never wanted Barros in the first place. Also, they don't really have any other SF than Nowitzki right now (I think Finley is a SG), so they need a good backup. They must be tired of Bradley by now and IF they see the potential in Collier to be their future C, they might do it. However, chances that they do it would not be as high here as in the Portland trade. We might have to throw in draft picks. V. Why it makes sense for the future: Cap space and lineup next season The amount of cap space created by these deals after this season would be enormous: $ 10.2 million. That alone should allow us to resign Taylor and to get another good veteran player (Anderson will not opt out and we will reward him one year later, when we have full bird rights, with a deal of about $ 6 million, 6-7 years). With the money freed up by Hakeem's retirement, we could then go after Webber - the problem and big question mark I see here would be that Webber would need to play C. If that doesn't work, we could still always trade him later for a very good C. If we don't get Webber, we could try to get Mutombo. But I would go for the best player available, regardless of the position. Then, the lineup next season would be: PG: Francis, Norris (resigned for about $ 1 million) SG: Anderson, Mobley SF: Langhi + very good veteran player (all-purpose, defensive specialist, someone like Outlaw, Lynch), Bullard (resigned for about a million as 3-point specialist) PF: Taylor (resigned for about $ 7-8 million per year), Harvey C: Webber or Mutombo, Cato (players not yet under contracts are in italics) Add another potential star frontcourt player (someone who is athletic and physically intimidating) in the draft and we are all set for the future . (I know it won't happen that way, but I would really like it!!)<font size=6> </font>. [This message has been edited by Det The Threat (edited August 31, 2000).] [This message has been edited by Det The Threat (edited August 31, 2000).]
Oh, and I also like Chucky Brown. I know my trades won't happen, so sign Chucky (do we still have cap space for that?) .
Damn, that has to be one of the longest posts ever (or at least it looks that way). ------------------ Nederland 2002 Qualifying Campaign (Damn those penalties!!!) Houston Rockets Space Center- Not just another ClutchCity.NET clone. We're that and more!
You make some good points, but you have to note that Anderson has the option to opt out after next year. Also, I don't think Webber will play Center. How can Langhi learn from Det's versatility? That's a quality that you can't really learn, IMO. I really don't like Detlef at this point. He's really getting old and he's not the versatile player he used to be. I would be really wary of starting him and counting on Langhi to be his full backup. It would be nice if we could add Chucky Brown to help out a bit. I certainly wouldn't want Langhi to take care of business all by himself. Another PF for portland? I could see them going for Bryce Drew, though. The figures look good. I think the trade might be plausible, but I'm not sure I'm too happy about the players we're getting. We would also need to wait for December 15th to trade Collier. Do you think he can really play center? Don't think so, IMO. ------------------ Nederland 2002 Qualifying Campaign (Damn those penalties!!!) <A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Pressbox/6544" TARGET=_blank>Houston Rockets Space Center- Not just another ClutchCity.NET clone. We're that and more! </A> [This message has been edited by Ace (edited August 31, 2000).]
Haha, you're absolutely right. Portland doesn't need any more power forwards. Also, I did not consider that we have to wait so long until we could trade Collier. I have to admit that trading for a 37-year old player normally does not really make much sense either. Well, I guess the only valid point I have is that trading Walt, Drew and Rogers for players in the last year of their contracts could create a lot of cap space for after the season so that we actually might have a chance to go after a top free agent AND to resign Mo.
The only reason I would sign Shawn Bradley is to prevent getting kneed or elbowed. ------------------ Cuttino Mobley Online www.Rockets2000.net
Det, thats a very ambitious plan. For the effort you put into that post, I hope the GM's at least talk about it, or a rumour leaks. CBFC, I feel like an idiot. I was almost certain I had read about Chucky to Miami in ESPN's offseason spotlight on the Heat, but when I checked out just now, it wasn't there. Either I'm going insane or I just forgot where I read it. I'll continue to look forward for it, and I'll let you know. Azim da Dream ------------------ We don't live for the destination. We live for the journey. http://www.clutchtown.com
Azim da Dream: Det, thats a very ambitious plan. For the effort you put into that post, I hope the GM's at least talk about it, or a rumour leaks. Azim: I'm just practicing for the time when I might really have something meaningful to say...
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Det...Short for Detlef?????? Come on!!! My best friend Aaron have a ritual every playoff season. We love watching whatever team Detlef is on and seeing what happens when he comes into the game in the fourth quarter. It's so funny. Right when the game is completely on the line Detlef, almost without fail, screws up, turns it over, misses a layup...etc. ALWAYS!!!!...well....except when he's playing the rockets, but that only makes sence, because everyone plays great against the rockets. I am not lying, Aaron and I get kind of drunk and wait for Detlef to get the ball with under two minutes left in the game and we yell "no, don't give the ball to Schremf.....OOOHHHH!!!! You did it anyway, and now you've lost.". without FAIL!!! NO DETLEF SCHREMF ON THE ROCKETS!! YES, HE CAN REBOUND AND SHOOT PRETTY WELL, BUT HIS REAL TALENT IS AT FAILING MISERABLY!!!! ------------------
CBFC, I am sorry, but in spite of his hustle my remeberances of Chucky Brown are that he has bad hands. Anybody else recall it that way? Cato's touch is all one team can withstand. Also, aquiring CB would take minutes from Langhi and slow his development. And even if the Rox make the playoffs, they still have a chance a chance at Terence Morris, Shane Battier, or Troy Murphy. I just don't see enough upside (and short-term upside at that) for the hassle it would be to get a sign and trade with Charlotte. Nice try though. ------------------ GATER
