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No Evidence for a Lewis/Thomas exchange..

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by DearRock, Mar 12, 2002.

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  1. DearRock

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    ...in tonight's game. What was all the salivation about? Salivate about what we already have, a recently arrived prime time player. KT clearly has taken his game up a notch. I know his opponents respect him and that includes the top PF's in the league.

    While watching the game, it dawned on me again that KT's game reflects the strong influence of the Dream. The footwork, the spin moves, the ability to get off on bigger people. Of course KT always had a jump shot. He is close to being unstoppable, really when you consider that he can go left or right on you and then spin.

    The best part is when he took Lewis and Long off the dribble and scored. As for his defense!

    To all those smart GM on this board, we are suppose to take this gem and trade him for someone like Lewis. I don't think so.
     
  2. RocketKid

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    Errrr you're basing all that on one game. Chill.
     
  3. LongTimeFan

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    Thank you rock, I was just too lazy to start the exact same thread. In fact I had it half done when I said screw it :p KT will come at a much lower price than Lewis also. We don't need another shooter, We have Cat, Walt, Rice (when he comes back) - We need people working hard night in and night out like KT, and I have no problem with him at the 3 now. It just gives us a big advantage at the offensive end. Did you see the Spazz take Malone off KT so he wouldn't foul out?? I think we need to realize what we have in front of us.

    -LTF
     
  4. kidrock8

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    The only thing is holding me back from thinking KT can be a major player, is his short height.

    If he can finish a higher percentage of layups, I will say he could be a 20 and 9 guy.

    He has nice offensive skills, but his short height sometimes makes his hustle all for naught.
     
  5. NCSTATEFAN

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    HERE'S A SHOUT OUT TO KENNY THOMAS WITH THE CLUTCH BASKET AT THE END OF THE GAME!!!!!!

    SCREW THOSE THAT SAY YOUR TO SHORT!
     
  6. RocketsPimp

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    Hey, RM95/Major.....looks like we were right about someone posting a thread about how much we need or don't need Lewis thread.
     
  7. TraJ

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    Two things:

    #1 - If you read what was said about Kenny before he was drafted (and just after, for that matter), his current play wouldn't be all that surprising. He is practically the exact player many scouts, etc. said he could be (minus that three point range stuff). It's just taken him a few years to get to this point, and I think he'll continue to get better.

    #2 - Who cares how tall the guy is? Did MoT's 14 ppg last year count more than KT's 14 ppg this year because Mo is 2 inches taller? Do those 2 inches help Mo rebound better than KT or defend better than KT? I hate that the Rockets will probably have to choose between MoT and KT at some point, but at this point in time (not knowing what Mo will be like when he returns) I'd take KT. Cheaper and roughly the same production, although a better rebounder and defender IMO.

    If we get an offer for KT that we just can't pass up, fine. But this is a guy I'd like to see stay. If we get a good offer for Mo that could land us a good starting small forward (which is admittedly not likely for some time), I'd take it without worrying too much about the PF position. I think Eddie and KT would do just fine there.
     
  8. DaneB

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    I think it would be much better if we placed Kenny at small forward, let Maurice Taylor come off the bench, have Eddie backup Mo and then Walt comes off the bench to spell Kenny. I think this would be a rad rotation. I think we should just keep Mo and Kenny because the talent can coexist and then worry about Rice/Williams. These two cant coexist unless you want one of them sliding between SG & SF.:eek:
     
  9. BigM

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    kt finishes a very high percentage of his layups this year. i think the idea that he blows them is still around because he was horrible the first couple of years. on the other hand, if he could pump his free throw shooting up to 70-75% he could tack on another 3 points or so.
     
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    I don't like the idea of KT sitting around the perimeter spotting up for a 3, which is basically the role of a SF for the Rockets.
     
  11. Sane

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    Lewis proved tonight what lots of people have been saying. He has no defense, almost NO post game, and very poor ball-handling.


    He's worth no more than $5M. Only an idiot would sign him to the MAX, and only a bigger idiot would sign him to the MAX and make him their franchise player.


    Payton, Lewis, Baker is a good core. If Booth pans out, him and Desmond Mason can complete a VERY good team. But there's no way they'll keep that core together if Lewis signs for the MAX.
     
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    Ummm...what he said. Ditto Sane.

    Kidrock, let it go, will you? How many times are you going to post that? Geez. IF the Rox 3 CAN do more than shoot 3s, and isn't allowed to, then blast Rudy. This season, I don't see Rudy telling KT to shoot 3s.
     
  13. DCkid

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    I agree that his footwork is similar to the Dream. I'm still in wonderment how he gets those shots off against bigger guys. On top of his improved finishing he's add a nice little baby hook, so if he can't quite get around his guy to get a clearer path to the basket he stops on a dime, turns, and puts it up. I still haven't seen anyone block it.

    About Kenny playing SF. I think it could work, because with Griffin, he would pretty much act as the 3-point shooting small-forward on offense, so the fact that Kenny can't shoot from outside very well doesn't really matter. And I actually believe that Kenny could play pretty good D against most of the other SFs in the league. I mean's he's qot quick feet, quick hands, and he's wide enough to make it harder for other players to get around him.

    But, the only problem is Maurice Taylor. When Maurice is in the game, I don't think Kenny playing SF would be a very good idea.

    As much as I love Kenny, I think the Rockets should at least try to see what the interest in him is around the league this offseason. If they can get a young prototypical SF, or possibly a worthwhile center, then maybe they should think about making the trade. But Kenny's too much of a talent just to get rid of for some bench player. They should only make the trade if they can get a starter.
     
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    I like KT better than Lewis. If we trade KT, then we have <b>ZZZEEEERRRRROOOOO</B> post-up ability. If we trade KT, which I'm not opposed to for the right player, it better be somebody that has a strong post game, preferably a strong center.
     
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    I am Lewis fan, but not at the tune of 7, 8 or 9 mil per. He is a nice complimentry player at the tune of 5 mil maybe. He is an average defender, with a decent offensive game, but definitely cannot create. I think Odom is a much better alternative. He has more of an all around game. Is he a problem child or not? The next Isiaha Rider or not, that is the only question....
     
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    I too like Rashard Lewis at 5.5 million max - he is no 9 mil player - certainly not max money. If somebody pays him the max - hindsight will show this as a Juwan Howard -Horace Grant type investment - too many dollars.Rashard is using Houston like Chris Webber did to get max money from Seattle- I hope Seatttle is stupid enough to tie up that much money in him..

    We need to Keep Kenny Thomas- and quit complaining about him being short. Charles Barkley was 6' 4". Kenny is our strongest go to the basket player and inside presence - we really need him.

    If we clean house - trade Moochie or try to buy out Glen Rice contract. Get rid of the dead weight.

    Walt Williams no longer will get paid 5 mil per year by the Rockets after this season - do we get some cap room there??????

    Keep Kenny!!!!!!!
     
  17. Joe Joe

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    Takes quality to get quality. If it came down to KT + change to get Lewis I would do it.

    Backup PF for starting 3.

    I do not like KT at the three.
     
  18. DearRock

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    I cannot wait for MoT to come back. Why? I just have the sense that KT and MoT can work together. I remember initially people say that EG and KT cannot work together and we know that is not the case. I cannot see how we are going to have problems, DC, when so many of our players are flexible and can play more than one position. I fully expect to see MoT, KT and EG on the floor next year.

    TraJ, you are right, KT is doing basically what they said. In fact some said he is as good as Brand. Well, lets go to the stats. Damn! Their stats for Feb and Mar, to date, are very similar except for rebounding which Brand excel at. However KT who plays further out has a higher FG% and their point average are comparable.

    G GS Mins fg fga 3ptfg 3ptfga ft fta or dr tr as stl blk pts


    Thomas - Month February 9 9 37.8 .515 .000 .593 2.6 6.0 8.6 2.7 1.44 .67 15.1
    Brand - Month February 10 10 37.5 .500 .000 .750 6.5 8.1 14.6 1.3 1.10 1.70 17.6

    Thomas - Month March 7 7 36.1 .538 .000 .735 1.9 6.0 7.9 1.9 1.43 1.43 15.9
    Brand - Month March 5 5 41.6 .509 .000 .625 5.0 6.2 11.2 2.4 1.20 2.80 15.6
     
  19. JayZ750

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    I honestly don't know how Kenny Thomas does it. He has one offensive move, essentially, with two options; either shoot the straight on jumper, or drive to the right and spin to the left with the layup. And the more amazing thing is he has been scouted well. You can see more and more in the games he's being defended against that move, yet he still gets it off and in, or gets fouled.

    Kenny is a very good player. I'd personally like to see him come off the bench, but with the most minutes of the bench (around 25-30). I have this opinion for a number of reasons, but mainly because we have little consistent bench production right now, Taylor is being paid as and still deserves to be the starter (his per minute production was better, offensively, than KT's, and suprisingly almost as good on the boards as well) and the team has had more success with him there (regardless of other factors).

    As far as comparisons between him and Rashard Lewis though....its like apples and oranges. Lewis still seems like the better talent (better offensive game, rebounds just as well, plays defense just as well), though.
     
  20. DCkid

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    Try telling that to the Dallas Mavericks. :D
     

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