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NH Democrat Debate

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by A_3PO, Jan 5, 2008.

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  1. A_3PO

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    Did anyone notice the hard swipe that Edwards took at Hillary. I guess he figures Hillary must go down or he can't survive. Obama should send him a thank you note.
     
  2. Ubiquitin

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    I think that I missed it. What are you referring to?
     
  3. A_3PO

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    "When the agents of change call for change, the status quo shouts back." "When Senator Clinton was ahead in the polls we didn't hear criticism from her". It really set Hillary on fire and she got very animated.

    The more I think about it the more I can't believe he said it. I also was watching ABC after it ended and their pool reporting said Edwards camp sent him a text message saying, "at 9:34 p.m, January 5th, 2007, R.I.P. Clinton" or something close to that.

    This will be the story of the day tomorrow. The press will blow this up to the max and I don't blame them. It was obvious that Edwards and his people planned this bomb ahead of time.
     
  4. A_3PO

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    Part of this Reuters article has it:

    http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSN0426725220080106

    "I didn't hear these kinds of attacks from Senator Clinton when she was ahead," Edwards said. "Every time he (Obama) speaks out for change, every time I fight for change, the forces of status quo are going to attack -- every single time."
     
  5. texanskan

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    I thought Edwards won that debate hands down. If there was some chance (not going to happen) that he could get Obama one on one he would have a punchers chance because he is so good in these things.

    One on One I'll take the skilled trial lawyer over anyone but with Hillary being top dog it's hard for Edwards to catch Obama.
     
  6. F.D. Khan

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    I think Edwards would be the worst candidate for president.
    What does a trial lawyer know about running an organization
    as large and expansive as the US governement.
     
  7. texanskan

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    I think he would of beat Bush in 2004, Kerry was a joke just like Mitt is a joke on the GOP side this go around
     
  8. A_3PO

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    100% agree with all of this.
     
  9. No Worries

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    Rudy July gets my vote. He makes Bush look like a "uniter".
     
  10. ivanyy2000

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    Ugh. The trial lawyer couldn't even beat that sorry *ss John Kerry.
     
  11. Fatty FatBastard

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    Jeez, now Hilary is crying? This does not make a good "leader."

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080107/pl_nm/usa_politics_dc

    PORTSMOUTH, New Hampshire (Reuters) - A teary-eyed Hillary Clinton pushed for support on Monday as polls showed her poised for a huge New Hampshire loss to Democratic rival Barack Obama, but the former front-runner vowed to carry on with her presidential quest even if she loses.
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    Obama warned supporters against overconfidence as a flood of new polls gave him a double-digit lead over Clinton one day before the state casts the next votes in the race for the White House.

    Polls will close in the state at 8 p.m. EST on Tuesday, with results expected to begin rolling in quickly.

    At a campaign event in Portsmouth, Clinton choked up and grew uncharacteristically emotional as she talked about her reasons for seeking the presidency in the November election.

    "Some of us put ourselves out there and do this," she said, her voice breaking and her eyes glistening with tears, "against some pretty difficult odds and we do it each one of us because we care about our country."

    "But some of us are right and some of us are wrong," she said in a hesitant, quaking voice. "Some of us are ready and some of us are not."

    The incident resurrected memories of former Maine Sen. Edmund Muskie's tears during the 1972 New Hampshire campaign, credited with helping to bring down his front-running bid.

    Clinton, who would be the first woman president, promised to stay in the fight until it was over, possibly on "Super Tuesday" on February 5, when 22 states hold nominating contests in the quest to be the party's nominee in the November election.

    "Whatever happens tomorrow, we're going on," she told the CBS "Early Show."

    "I've always felt that this is going to be a very tough, hard-fought election, and I'm ready for that," added Clinton, who finished third in the first nominating contest in Iowa last week behind Obama and former North Carolina Sen. John Edwards.

    Obama rolled across the state in an effort to turn out supporters, warning there was still plenty of work needed before Tuesday's vote.

    "Do not take this race for granted. I know we had a nice boost over the last couple of days but elections are funny things," Obama, an Illinois senator vying to become the first black U.S. president, told supporters in Claremont.

    In the state's hard-fought Republican race, Sen. John McCain of Arizona held a more narrow lead over former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney in new polls. He scrambled across the state to urge supporters to get out and vote -- and asked them to bring a friend.

    'I'M GOING TO WIN'

    "I need you to get out the vote tomorrow, this could be a very close election and it will depend on voter turnout," McCain said in Keene. "I'm proud to say I'm going to win tomorrow."

    New Hampshire is the next battleground in the state-by-state process of picking Democratic and Republican candidates for November's presidential election to succeed President George W. Bush.

    A Reuters/C-SPAN/Zogby poll showed Obama with a 10-point edge on Clinton in the state, 39 percent to 29 percent, as he gained a wave of momentum from his win in Iowa.

    McCain was relegated to the political scrap heap last summer after sinking polls and poor fundraising forced him to shake up his staff and recalibrate his campaign, but he now leads Romney by 5 points in New Hampshire.

    Clinton and Romney are both under pressure to revive their campaigns after disappointing showings in Iowa, and a second consecutive loss for either could be devastating.

    Romney, who at one time led polls in Iowa and New Hampshire, finished second in Iowa to former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee.

    A wealthy former venture capitalist who has pumped tens of millions of his own money into the race, Romney said he was buoyed by a Sunday night debate where he tangled with McCain and Huckabee over their records on taxes and immigration.

    "Right now it's a neck-and-neck race. But with the debate last night and the support I received from that debate I anticipate winning tomorrow," Romney said in Stratham.

    Obama has been drawing huge crowds on the campaign trail and was joined on Monday by former Sen. Bill Bradley, a one-time professional basketball star who ran his own unsuccessful presidential campaign in 2000.

    "Starting tomorrow morning, you have a chance to declare a new day, you have a chance to turn a page and write a new chapter in American history," Obama said. "It is very important for us all to be clear that we have not won anything yet -- here in New Hampshire."

    Apologizing for a hoarse-sounding voice, he added, "I asked a doctor what he would prescribe and he said 'shut up."'

    (Additional reporting by Steve Holland, Jeff Mason, Ellen Wulfhorst, Ed Stoddard, Jason Szep in New Hampshire; Writing by John Whitesides; editing by David Wiessler)

    (For more about the U.S. political campaign, visit Reuters "Tales from the Trail: 2008" online at http://blogs.reuters.com/trail08/)
     
  12. torque

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    Bush teared up at Ground Zero on 9/11. Is that not being a good leader?

    I think it's about time Clinton talked with some cadence, emotion and honesty.
     
  13. pirc1

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    You are correct.
    This is not a chess game (not exactly), so not everything should be calculated ahead.

    Even if she does not win, she is still an extremely successful woman.

    I like Obama or her over all the Republican candidates.
     
  14. Apollo Creed

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    You're right...Bush tearing up at the site of thousands of American deaths shortly after it happening is the same thing as Hillary losing some points in the polls.

    I agree with your second comment though...but don't think of this as that.
     
  15. torque

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    I wasn't saying the two events were the same thing, I was just pointing out that crying doesn't make you a bad leader.
     
  16. Master Baiter

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    It sure didn't make Bush a good one.
     
  17. Apollo Creed

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    Crying over death, sorrow, whatever...that doesn't make you a bad leader. I do think Hillary crying because people don't seem to like her anymore is pretty bad.

    Not to mention that if there are pictures of her crying or teary-eyed, expect to see them a bajillion times over in mocking fashion.
     
  18. rimrocker

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    I think running for President makes you a little crazy... the stress has to be enormous. Not only what you put on yourself, but the expectations of all the people supporting you. Think about it... you run for Pres for 2 years, win, and win again. For most people... present President excluded... that means 10 straight years of being "on" with very little downtime and essentially no vacation. It's insane and it's a wonder more candidates and Presidents don't break down. You can talk all about experience, but there is no job in the world that comes close to being a serious candidate for the Presidency, much less the actual job of President.
     
  19. Deckard

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    Too true. If you go back 40-50 years, in another era, the press used to ignore the personal life of the President... his past and present personal life. It's well known, for example, that Ike had a lover during WWII. Nothing was said about it, although the press knew. Jack Kennedy chased anything, seemingly, with a skirt, but nothing was said. Public and private lives were consider separate. Not today.

    I can't imagine why anyone takes it on.




    Impeach Bush.
     
  20. A_3PO

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    That's because the Dem party wanted him as the "safe" choice after being scared to death by Howard Dean. Edwards was considered too new. Sound familiar?

    On Hillary's crying, if she loses, maybe this becomes the signature moment people will remember about her campaign.
     

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