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Next season: How can we MAKE SURE that Yao gets the ball in P&R situation?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by fa7999, May 7, 2004.

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  1. fa7999

    fa7999 Member

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    Duncan, Webber always get the ball after P&R. Spurs even goes as far as running consecutive P&R to free Duncan for a mid range jumper.

    Yao set 18 picks in game two of the PO and got the ball back 3 times.

    What did he do in those 3 situations?

    He made a jumper.
    He got an assist.
    He got a layup.

    Everyone agrees that we can run P&R much better than what we do now (see Spurs, Sac). And we can definitely run it closer to the basket instead of doing it near 3 point line.

    I think running much better P&R and give the ball back to Yao in perfect position will be one of the top 3 keys to the Rockets success next season.
     
  2. sup123

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    P&R to rockets is like a foregin language. From what i see, Only JJ and yao seem to run it good. Thats why we couldnt exploit the lakers.
     
  3. SamFisher

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    Uhh, Francis and Cato? Mobley and Cato? Pretty much half of Cato's points come off the Pick and Alley play.

    I don't recall any instance when I saw JJ and Yao do it particularly well.

    Yao is a lousy pick and roller. He just takes too much time to get in there when he actually does bother to dive to the basket and then flails about with his arms up in the air, or else he floats back and either takes a hesitant 20 foot jumper. I'm not sure that this tactic maximizes the abilities of a 7-6 player.

    Of course Francis is no great shakes either at running it but that is a different story.
     
  4. gucci888

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    One thing about the Kings is that their big guys don't roll to the basket. I think Steve Kerr observed it, C-Webb, Miller, Divac, pick and step back for a the shot.
     
  5. Bogey

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    If the team stays together pretty much as is, two things I hope they improve on are the P&R and the fast break. If they need any help they can go to just about any JR High BB practice to try and learn some fundamentals.
     
  6. SamFisher

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    That is true, but they aren't 7-6!
     
  7. beyao

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    yeah, they're midgets at 6'10 - 7'1. I guess because Yao is 7'6 he should be dominating Shaq and dunking 100 times a game, huh?

    Let's see... SF is only 6'3 so he should be racking up 10 steals and posting 20 assists per night, right?

    How 'bout just playing to the strengths of your players? Yao's J is as good as TD's, CW's, or any other big man in the league. And because he sets such great picks, he's often left wide open for such opportunities. I agree that the P&R should be one of the first things we correct for next season.
     
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    Yeah, 7'6 guy playing on perimeter PnR and settling for 18-20ft jumpers especially his jumpers weren't falling in the late of the season. Good idea. Oh, plus, maybe he could get more rebs because long shot causing long rebs. Fantastic!!! :D :D :D
     
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    Sorry I forgot about the fast breaks.

    I keep thinking that if someone like Roy Williams were to coach SF3 as a PG, he would be sent to ER after each game. It truly amazes me that a NBA star guard has no clue on how to run a 3-on-1.
     
  10. SamFisher

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    Yao's primary strength is that he's SEVEN FOOT SIX, an advantage which is amplified the closer to the baket he is.

    If you don't know that by now, there is no hope for you.

    Yao is about a 41% jumpshooter, and almost all of those shots are from two point range.

    Yao is a 63% shooter from in close. Do the math.
     
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    first i tought this was a serious thread about the pick and roll. but after this post you made ure we understand that this is a tghread were you are suppost to bash Francis. great idea we do not have enough bash Francis threads:rolleyes:
     
  12. beyao

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    Newsflash... this thread is about running the P&R. It's simply dumb basketball to never look to pass to the screener after he sets the pick and rolls for an open J or a drive to the hoop. It makes what the ball handler is trying to do that much more predictable. "If you don't know that by now, there is no hope for you."

    NOBODY can dominate inside at all times...not even Shaq. To best utilize your players you sometimes have to mix things up (i.e., having Yao float to the outside every now and then).
     
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    Where'd you get the stats?
     
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    I know the Rockets really need some PR help (except for Tim of course), but I would rather Yao just stick to basketball!
     
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    The problem is, there's no way Yao can always get position inside.

    I'm not sure where you got the 41%, but it sounds about right to me. Even so, Yao has very good form on his jumpshot. And it could very well be developed more. Looking at him shoot, there's no reason for him not to shot close to 50% with it.

    Another thing I've seen is that Yao tends to be a bit further away on the p&r than most players. Is there any reason why he's about 20 ft away when he could move to around 17-18 ft area. After all, he should be able to get a bit closer than most people because of his size.
     
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    One facet of Yao's game the Rockets haven't developed and utilized is Yao's driving abilities. In the Lakers game Yao had the ball in high post, dribbled once, drove toward Shaq, drew a foul and made the shot. For Yao to learn driving to the basket while the lane is opened requires him to get the ball after a PnR.
     
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    One more thing, even Yao just shoots 41% from the outside, he is still a better option for a jump shot than Francis' 40% shooting, 7'6" or not.
     
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    Read this:
    http://www.82games.com/comm23.htm

    Yao was #7 in jump shooting filed gold percentage in Feb at 54%, He had a great March , not so good in April and Playoff.
    Most of his jump shots were contested fadeaways and hook shots, not wide open shots from Pick'n Roll. I believe Yao's wide open jump shots should be better than a lot of guys on Rox team. His high free throw shooting percentage is also a proof.
     
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    I hope Yao Ming master his go to move in the low post before having a habit of going out to hit those jumpers.

    Most dominant big men focus on dominating opponents on low post before they developed mid range jumper to expand their games. They all had go to move in the low post which is critical in the crunch situation. Players such as KG, Cweb who fell love in hitting those 18 feet jumpers don't have their go to move in the post which lead them to huge disavantages in the critical situation.

    I don't mind him occasionally going out to hit a couple of them though. But Yao ming is too talented a post player to go out to hit those jumpers.
     
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    During the rocket-lakers series, yao always sets a pick for cat and steve and i observed that most of the times, steve and cat ignored him or just had no idea of playing the pnr. JUst sucks. MOst of the people here agreed that yao has a great touch. Being 7'6 and not using your height to your advantage doesnt fit me. He can shoot plain and simple shoot it. Rik smits gets his points in shooting 10-15 footers. He also has a jump hook. What im excited about is yao is thrice as better than smits. Just surround him of intelligent players especially a backcourt and the rockets will be ok. We must put a stop to the dribble mania era. Lets start the ming dynasty next season. Get barry, allen, daniels, and maybe boozer or brown and we'll be ok.
     

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