Newsflash: That Dell kid is a PRICK!

You should've told him..."Dude, you're getting the finger..." and flipped him off.

 

Should have clocked his scrawny a$$.

I was in Las Vegas one time when Bill Walsh was playing 3rd base at a local blackjack table. Anyone that plays serious blackjack knows that you don't hit when the dealer has a bad hand showing.

Well, Bill kept hitting and screwing the entire table. Finally, the guy next to him said something like " What are you doing? You are really screwing the table." and Bill turned to him and said, " Do you know who I am....DO YOU KNOW WHO I AM?" Like he was entitled or something.

Well, the guy simply leveled Mr. Know who I am with one punch..then said, "Yes, I know who you are, you are an ******* !!"

I hate pretentious people.....

DaDakota

 

You should've beat him up- you'da been a legend!

"Dude, you're getting you're ass whooped."

 

The dude is a fuc#ing dork who works for a company who's stock that I bought 3 years ago at $40.00 is now currently at $27.11 (Yeah Im a little bitter).

I worked at a sweatshop called Dell, and I own crappy stock in Dell.

 

Slight change of subject...

OK, I don't know much about blackjack, but how exactly do you screw the entire table by hitting when the dealer has a bad hand?

Next question: If you decided to help out the entire table and NOT hit when the dealer has a bad hand, would this mean less winnings for you? Personally, if I had to choose between helping out everyone else and getting my bank, I say screw the rest of the table and gimme mine...

 

Carpe Dimension....by the throat and rip his phucking voice box out!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Those commercials are the worst...I won't go near Dell ever again. Oh...and their coming out with Dell boy clothes and items so you can embrace the advertising phenomenon and be a total idiot.

Glad to know he's such a prick. I play a prick on TV...and I'm a prick in real life.

Surf

 

that Dell dude is a one trick pony.

he's like an early Howie Mandel rip-off.

 

In a nutshell, you always assume a 10 for a card you can't see. Therefore if the dealer has a 2-6 showing, you assume he has a 12-16. You also assume that he'll have to take a card and that card will bust him. Therefore, you should stand on 12 and up. (Although, you are statistically supposed to hit a 12 if the dealer is showing a 2).

For example, the dealer is showing 6 and you hit a 14. Let's say you draw a 7 and make 21 - good for you. If everyone else at the table is playing the "correct" way, they will be thoroughly ticked if the dealer has 16, draws a 4 and makes 20. Sure, you win, but had you stayed, the dealer would have drawn the 7 and busted. In that case, everyone would have won.

Your second question would generally NOT result in less winning for you over the long haul, although there are times it would. Using the same example, if you stand on 14 and the dealer has a 8 as his hole card, he would now draw that 7 and make 21, thus resulting in a loss for you and most of the table (unless someone blackjacked or hit 21 as well).

In my experience, playing the "correct" way generally results in you not losing over the long haul.

 

Sounds like you took a big hit on that one. Where do you work now that you are out of the sweat shop? I know you told me before, but those brain cells died over the weekend.

 

I think I'll stick with craps

 

That makes no sense, bobrek. Yeah, in your hypothetical, the next 2 cards in the deck happened to be 7 and 4. But statistically, isn't it just as likely that the next 2 cards could have been reversed? In that case, you've "helped" the table by drawing the 4 and forcing the dealer to draw the 7 instead.

And I don't understand why one "assumes a 10 for any card you can't see." A face-down card could be a 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, J, Q, K, or Ace. Only 4 of those 13 cards count for 10, and if the dealer's showing 13, he's only got a 5/13 chance (9,10,J,Q,K) of busting when he turns the card over.

I must be missing something.

 

I am just parroting the 'rule of thumb' that most black jack books espouse. You can read the books and do the research, but that is why I prefaced my response with "In a nutshell".

Again, based on research and statistics, blackjack becomes almost a 50-50 game when played using those assumptions. You don't hit 12 and up when the dealer is showing 2-6 (again with the exception of the 12 vs. 2 situation).

Also if the dealer is showing 3, an ace, 2 and 3 will cause him to draw again (assuming a 10 face down). In that example, there are only 5 of 13 cards that will cause him to be done. The odds are greater than 50-50 that he will draw a card that will not accomplish this, thus increasing the odds he will bust on a subsequent card. Keep in mind that the dealer must stay on 17+ and must hit on 16-.

You may not like the odds that the down card is worth 10, but that is how the professionals play.

 

If everyone else at the table is playing the "correct" way, they will be thoroughly ticked if the dealer has 16, draws a 4 and makes 20. Sure, you win, but had you stayed, the dealer would have drawn the 7 and busted. In that case, everyone would have won.


If you always assume a 10, then even after you draw your 7, the dealer is "assumed' to bust. It doesn't matter how many cards you draw -- it's going to help and hurt the dealer exactly the same number of times. If there's a 4 and a 7 as the next two cards, its 50/50 whether you'll get 4 and the dealer get the 7 (helping the table) and whether you'll get the 7 and the dealer the 4 (hurting the table). I would tell those dumbasses at the table that they need to learn probability and statistics if they said that crap to me.

My drawing a card doesn't make it any more likely that the dealer will get a low card.

 

You can find out more about Steven (and I know you want to!) here :

http://www.dell.com/us/en/dhs/topics/segtopic_steven_home.htm

 

Your drawing a "bust" card DOES make it less likely that the dealer will draw a bust card since you are pulling it out of the deck. Assume that 10 cards are left and 5 are "bust" cards for the dealer. If you don't hit, the odds are 50-50 the dealer will get one. If you do hit and get a "bust" card, the odds are now 44% he will get it.

Conversely, if you don't get the bust card the odds increase to 55% that the dealer will.

I am by no means describing all of the statistical probabilities. It's simply a basic rule of thumb to make the assumption that unseen cards are 10.

 

WoW .. how have you been lucky enough to have never seen one of his spots ?? You must have watched zero tv in the last couple of years.

I wish this guy would go away ..and now they are making a clothing line ? I can't imagine anyone being dorky enough to wear this stuff.

 

Yea I think he is a dick also, and annoying as hell. Anybody read the last Stuff issue? They listed all these people that had their 15mins of fame and they said that he was going to be next.

 

I've been through the whole blackjack/3rd base argument a number of times, and I beleive it is more based on superstition and lack of real undertsanding than fact.

The whole premise is that if the dealer is showing between 2 and 6, he is likely to draw a 10 value card next, and run a higher risk of busting with his following card. Assuming an evenly distributed pack, statistically the odds that the next card will be a 10 value are 4/13, which is obviously higher than the odds of any single card which is 1/13. So theoretically, the chances of the dealer going bust, if he is showing between 2 and 6, are higher than if he is showing something else.

In this situation, if I'm at third base and have anything 12 or above, this means I would sit, because I really want to stay in the game knowing that the dealer has a higher probability of busting, especially since I have a relatively high chance of busting if I hit.

However, what I do at third base has absolutley NO effect on the overall good of the rest of table. SamCassell is right - the odds that the cards could come out in any order is right. If I did draw a 10, then yes, the odds that the dealer will then draw one are very slightly reduced, but conversly, if I draw anything between Ace and 9, then the chances that the dealer will then pull a 10 and bust are slightly (i)increased(/i). The crux of the matter is really that 3rd base should not be hitting in this situation because statistically he is better off for him not to.