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New Zealand to ban cigarettes for future generations

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  1. Xerobull

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    New Zealand to ban cigarettes for future generations
    9 December 2021
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    Anyone born after 2008 will not be able to buy cigarettes or tobacco products in their lifetime

    New Zealand will ban the sale of tobacco to its next generation, in a bid to eventually phase out smoking.

    Anyone born after 2008 will not be able to buy cigarettes or tobacco products in their lifetime, under a law expected to be enacted next year.

    "We want to make sure young people never start smoking," Health Minister Dr Ayesha Verall said.

    The move is part of a sweeping crackdown on smoking announced by New Zealand's health ministry on Thursday.

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    Doctors and other health experts in the country have welcomed the "world-leading" reforms, which will reduce access to tobacco and restrict nicotine levels in cigarettes.

    "It will help people quit or switch to less harmful products, and make it much less likely that young people get addicted to nicotine," said Prof Janet Hook from the University of Otago.

    The crackdown has been met with mixed reactions.

    "I reckon it's a good move, really," one man told Reuters news agency. "Because right now there's a lot of young kids walking around with smokes in their mouth. Public are asking how they're getting these smokes.

    "And it's also good for myself too because I can save more money."

    However, others have warned that the move may create a black market for tobacco - something the health ministry's official impact statement does acknowledge, noting "customs will need more resource to enforce border control".

    "This is all 100% theory and 0% substance," Sunny Kaushal, chairman of the Dairy and Business Owners Group, a lobby group for local convenience stores, told New Zealand's Stuff news site. "There's going to be a crime wave. Gangs and criminals will fill the gap".

    New Zealand is determined to achieve a national goal of reducing its national smoking rate to 5% by 2025, with the aim of eventually eliminating it altogether.

    At the moment, 13% of New Zealand's adults smoke, with the rate much higher among the indigenous Maori population, where it soars to almost a third. Maori also suffer a higher rate of disease and death.

    New Zealand's health ministry says smoking causes one in four cancers and remains the leading cause of preventable death for its five million strong population. The industry has been the target of legislators for more than a decade now.

    As part of the crackdown announced on Thursday, the government also introduced major tobacco controls, including significantly restricting where cigarettes can be sold to remove them from supermarkets and corner stores.

    The number of shops authorised to sell cigarettes will be drastically reduced to under 500 from about 8,000 now, officials say.

    In recent years, vaping - smoking e-cigarettes which produce a vapour that also delivers nicotine - has become far more popular among younger generations than cigarettes.

    New Zealand health authorities warn however, that vaping is not harmless. Researchers have found hazardous, cancer-causing agents in e-cigarette liquids as well.

    But in 2017 the country adopted vaping as a pathway to help smokers quit tobacco.
     
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  2. Phillyrocket

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    Damn kiwi socialists. I should choose what to put into my body and you taxpayers should pay for my healthcare when I’m old and it destroys my health!
     
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  3. Buck Turgidson

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    I've smoked cigarettes in the past but you can pry my 2 weekly cigars out of my cold, dead, cancer-ridden hands
     
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  4. tinman

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    this ain't going to go over well

    At the moment, 13% of New Zealand's adults smoke, with the rate much higher among the indigenous Maori population, where it soars to almost a third. Maori also suffer a higher rate of disease and death.
     
  5. Xerobull

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    I think the Maori have a really high rate of obesity.
     
  6. tinman

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    yes, but you can't dictate their diet.

    this might not go well because these are the indigenous people of the land. the land they got colonized by the british.
     
  7. No Worries

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    Maybe the Maori are smoking weed ;)

    I'm just saying.
     
  8. Buck Turgidson

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    It's a thing with all Pacific Islanders iirc, don't remember the genetics/reasons/etc
     
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  9. HTM

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    Good. Smoking is a massive drain on their public health system I’m sure.
     
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    Moar war on drugs ftw
     
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  11. Buck Turgidson

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    You're not wrong, but now tell me about your life choices...?
     
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    I haven't made any voluntary choices that will force the public to pay large amounts of money for my healthcare AFAIK. There's a finite amount of money and healthcare resources every society has. Choices have to be made at some point and some level. That's the reality.

    I'm glad to see New Zealand is attempting to ban a substance that has little-to-no redeeming qualities and has caused such harm to people.
     
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  13. Buck Turgidson

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    I'm not disagreeing with you

    I would give a whole lot more sh!ts about kids and teens and millennials vaping (and thinking that pot is totally cool) now because....
     
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    Actually yes you should be able to choose. This is a slippery slope to banning other things deemed unhealthy. Next will be sodas and fast food. Then limits on fatty meats. This can creep into other facets of life related to health. I don't know why some people don't comprehend that tyranny starts with good intentions.
     
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    So what about all the old draining it through pension? Should we off them to save money if it's for the greater good?
     
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    So you don't eat the typical American diet with way too much red meat and aren't overweight?

    Not a personal attack. Most people (Americans) don't pay attention to heart disease and other obesity/diet related illnesses until they're out of the quadruple bypass surgery.

    I agree that tobacco/nicotine is a terrible, pointless addiction but:

    This, unfortunately. Look at mar1juana here in the US.

    They may be a 'big' people, probably due to abundance of food, but I doubt that the Moari were this fat before modern Westernized diets came into play. And that includes pigs that European ships seeded islands with. Before pigs, they had fruit, nuts and fish to eat. Do you think they were fat then?
     
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    Always the slippery slope as the excuse for people who want their freedoms without responsibility.

    You can argue that if the will of the majority wants something (reversing prohibition for example) despite its detriment to society and lacking in any positive effect then it should be allowed. After all no one is forcing you to smoke, drink, etc. Problem is of course the societal cost that must be paid.

    So a sin tax is the compromise. Seems to be working in the US as less people are smoking then ever. Need the same thing for alcohol, soda, and firearms.

    Of course Republicans don’t want it banned and they don’t want to pay the tax either. As usual they want someone else to pay their medical bills when they are suffering from lung cancer, liver cirrhosis, etc. burdening Medicare and Medicaid.
     
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  18. Invisible Fan

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    The Maori stopped playing ping pong when Yao retired.

    Hope he slims down now that he's parted ways with Jimmy, his eating buddy.
     
  19. HTM

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    No
     
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    Not sure what you mean by your first question.

    However, every society has to make decisions regarding economics/healthcare/life.... what if it costs a $1 a minute... $10,000 a minute.... $100,000 a minute .... $1 million dollars a minute to keep someone who is 97 and barely functioning alive? At some point we do a cost benefit analysis. How much resources are we willing to put into preserving life and at what cost.
     
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