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New York's Lt. Governor wants Trump to take back his Susan B. Anthony pardon

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  1. Os Trigonum

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    Hochul getting some history lessons

     
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    wow!! they don't teach this in school

     
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    Why do people pretend low hanging fruit pandering some evidence of not being racist?

    Tri o panders to racists in meaningful ways. Trump panders to minorites in not meaningful ways.

    This is some low hanging fruit pandering
     
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    the problem with calling everyone a racist is that it makes everyone a racist. and if everyone is a racist, then one should simply embrace one's own racism and get on with the business of living life.
     
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    Well if you buy into stupid narratives that we call everyone a racist, well then you'll tend to have bad takes.

    Trump is a racist. The dude called most Mexicans that come here rapists and murderers. That is an abject racist statement and I can find more. I can find racist policy actions that pander to racists.
     
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    who is "we"?
     
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    No one ... I mean no one .. knows who the **** Susan B. Anthony was/is/will be.

    Word on The Street is that Suzy Anthony help Betsy Ross sew the original US flag. Prove me wrong.
     
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    What color thread did she use?
     
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    That’s racist!
     
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    LOL. Or, it could have been interpreted as Red or Blue.
     
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    Sadly, Trump almost rescinded it anyway. He was super pissed when she didn't write him a perfect letter to thank him, or even phone or tweet her appreciation.
     
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    First I've heard of this. I do remember reading tensions back then between suffragetes and voting rights for minorities. Black men did get to vote first...

    https://susanb.org/if-susan-b-anthony-was-racist/
    Almost daily, visitors to the Anthony Museum ask if Susan B. Anthony was racist. They want to know if they should identify with her or not. The not-so-simple answer is “yes, she was racist,” and, “no, she wasn’t racist,” and “yes, you should identify with her.”

    Historian and social critic, Ibram X. Kendi, provides a useful framework for thinking about racism, past and present. He categorizes one’s actions as “racist,” “antiracist,” or what he calls “assimilationist.” [1]


    Consider, this diary entry, written by Susan B. Anthony in 1866;

    What arrogance…to put the question, what shall we do with a race of men and women who have fed, clothed and supported both themselves and their oppressors for centuries…the only way to solve the race question; {was} to educate blacks to be equal to their opportunities, {and for} whites to be willing to share their privileges. [2]
    Susan B. Anthony’s statement begins antiracist, citing Black agency, but takes an assimilationist tone when she insists that a white education will provide Black people equal opportunities. Her opinion does not consider what Black people knew, what they wanted, nor the racism they faced even after receiving a white education. However her final statement is entirely antiracist, and could have been written today.

    Susan B. Anthony saw white privilege embedded into our culture. What she could not foresee in 1866, was how white privilege, racism and sexism would evolve and persevere, finding new ways to obscure oppression.

    At the time, Susan B. Anthony was almost universally reviled for her antiracist views. White historians, to prove their antiracist bonafides, have often ignored this fact, by taking her quotes out of context. Other white historians have focused entirely on Susan B. Anthony’s anti-slavery work and close relationships with black women, but ignored her willingness to work with racist suffragists. It is as if she is a proxy for our own struggle with racism.

    Judging historical figure’s actions as racist, assimilationist or antiracist, broadens our understanding of them and by extension ourselves. By thinking about race through this lens we can self-assess questions like: Do we push out of our comfort zone to call out racist behavior? Have we judged whiteness to be the only model worth emulating? Do we recognize our own unearned privilege? Do we sometimes build up historical figures only to tear them down to avoid our own racist complicity? In considering these questions we should self examine by asking: If Susan B. Anthony was racist, does that mean I am too?
    I'm not subscribed to the latest woke happenings but I'm curious how assimilationism has evolved into something racist? I guess because it's derived from a predominantly white culture, but I'm not sure why working towards a common goal and amending the nastier bits is out of the question.

    Ofc, this is only out of curiosity. Twitterati are among the most impotent and self loathing group of personalities that fling and miss more than what catches on.
     
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    Pretty sure he was talking about the rapists and murderers that were Mexican.
     
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    He said, that 'some' were okay, he presumed. That is racist. He also said that a Federal judge was not qualified for his job based on his ethnic heritage. Certainly bigoted and possibly racist depending on what you consider Mexican heritage.

    Even if it is a race in your book, are you okay with his bigotry towards Mexicans?
     
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    I thought he was going to pardon Joe Exotic and have him speak at the RNC
     

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