If the Knicks do sign Amare' Stoudemire (as ESPN is reporting) how does that affect the value of those picks. Reminder: Houston has the right to swap first-round picks with New York in 2011, and the Rockets also get New York's 2012 first-round pick. The Knicks' 2011 pick is top-1 protected, and the 2012 pick is top-5 protected.
I still like the value of those picks, Amar'e is an upgrade but if that's it for top tier FAgents then how much of a true upgrade is he from Lee?
By itself? None. Amare isn't better on a star-less team than Derek Lee. And you have to imagine the Knicks signing somebody. The question is whether Amare leads to Wade/Lebron to NY. I think the Knicks picks right now is set at 10-20 range. I don't think any smart GM would automatically take it as sure fire lottery pick. Even if the Knicks suck, they're not likely going to worse than last year(#9 pick).
then the value of the two picks rise to the sky. We must retain these two picks! If Knicks only get Amare, they are lottery bound and will have no future.
NY won't be done after getting Stoudemire... so you might want to include a name such as Joe Johnson also with Stoudemire on NY. It really changes those picks though, they become contenders in the East with Stoudemire + an elite wing player.
I don't see it changing the value of those picks... everyone knew the Knicks would eventually get someone with all that money. Question is, would they get a true elite player or overpay for a couple of good ones? Stoudemire + LeBron or Wade can contend in the East. Stoudemire, Joe Johnson and crap won't come close. If they waste all if their cap room on swapping David Lee for Amare Stoudemire and then adding Joe Johnson... that is an awesome development for the Rockets.
The Knicks only have to be mediocre to ruin the value of those picks. They don't even have to make the playoffs. Only be good enough to qualify for late lottery. Those kind of picks aren't trade bait for All Star level talent.
If the Knicks only get Amare with that horrible roster and terrible draft picks, they're a guaranteed lottery team, Amare can't lead a team with scrubs like that. However, I think they will get someone else, even if its someone like Tony Parker, that makes them a low Eastern playoff team or just out of the playoffs.
Looks like Knicks are pursuing a point guard. They want Tony Parker. They're also looking at Luke Ridnour and Raymond Felton. All this does is ensure that the Knicks don't screw us over by having the #1 pick. So who's the second best prospect going into next year?
i wouldn't be so sure about that. they had a team of role players last year. they have depleted their roster to bare minimum in order to sign amare and probably re-sign david lee. amare is a talent upgrade but he can't do anything by himself. amare-lee-gallo-chandler-douglas, with curry and a bunch of undrafted rookies off the bench doesn't seem to be a guaranteed improvement. at least not in year one of the amare era.
I'm almost certain they'll get someone else. Or they'll try to trade for someone like CP3. So to expect lottery status for the picks is a bit of a stretch. But mid-1st rounders aren't a dime a dozen. They'll have plenty of value.
But it is New York. They don't have patience for being mediocre. The team will implode easily with Amare and D'antoni.
The Knicks who played hard last year were their non-expiring guys plus Lee: Douglas, Gallo, Chandler, Walker, etc. This year, they'll have a set roster and none of the whole "waiting for Lebron" thing hanging over everyone's heads. That alone will make them play better. Plus, they're still in the eastern conference.
I expect them to get someone else too, but how in the world could they get someone like CP3? I don't even see them having enough to trade for Parker. They don't have 1st round picks to trade the next two years and tradable assets on their team include Gallirani whom they wont trade, and nothing else really. All they have is a Lee sign and trade option, but I don't see anything of value on that team.
We won't know the value until the hoopla is over and training camp starts. Knicks could still add some good players.
They have capspace, which allows them to save NO a lot of money instantly. And I'm only throwing that out as a kind of deal they can make, one that gets them talent by taking other team's salary.
They become a worse version of the Pau Gasol's lottery bound Grizzlies, before he got traded to LA. Darko > Curry Gasol/Warrick vs Amare Rudy Gay >>> Gallinari Mike Miller/Juan Carlos Navarro >>> Wilson Chandler/Bill Walker Kyle Lowry/Mike Conley/Chucky Atkins >>>>>> Toney Douglas (no contest)
Yea but the Rockets could offer Aaron Brooks, Battier and Jeffries (expiring) and 2 1st round picks for CP3. Giving them talent, saving them money, and future picks. I don't think NY could compete in a trade scenario for a important player (CP3, Deron Williams, Melo)
Point is.. they're not going to miss the playoffs for two years in the east with two superstars on their team (barring any injures). So, regardless of what happens as far as who they get after that... the fact that they won't be a lottery team anymore changes the picks and makes them less in value (that's what I meant to say originally) because everyone pretty much knew they were bound to get somebody.
