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New iRaqi PM: Saddam "always had links to international terrorist organizations."

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  1. basso

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    Sure, trash the author, but he quotes the new iRaqi PM, as interviewed on CNN, and also an ABC reporter.

    http://weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/004/167gwjtp.asp

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    More Connections
    Two new members of the Iraqi interim government insist that Saddam and al Qaeda were linked.
    by Stephen F. Hayes
    06/03/2004

    SADDAM HUSSEIN "always had links with international terrorist organizations."

    On the face of it, this is not a controversial statement. It comes from a CNN interview of Iyad Allawi, recently chosen as the interim prime minister of Iraq. Allawi expanded on this assessment in a December 31, 2003, interview with CNN's Bill Hemmer, when he estimated that more than 1,000 al Qaeda terrorists were operating in Iraq. But his more interesting comment came moments later. The al Qaeda fighters, he said,

    were present in Iraq, they came and they were active in Iraq before the war of liberation. They were inflicting a lot of problems on the--and inflaming the situation in northern Iraq, in Iraq Kurdistan. They killed once about a year and a half ago 42 worshipers in one of the mosques in Harachi [ph] in a very ugly way.

    Again, on the surface, this was not a particularly revealing statement. After all, Colin Powell told the United Nations Security Council that al Qaeda was operating in Iraq--almost certainly with the knowledge and approval of the Iraqi regime--before the war. CIA Director George Tenet has testified to the presence of al Qaeda in Iraq on several occasions. Allawi went on:

    Those people have had the backing of Saddam prior to liberation, and they remained in Iraq after the collapse, and after the vacuum was created. After the way, they remained in Iraq. Many joined them since then.

    Allawi's declaration that the Iraqi regime supported al Qaeda terrorists before the war in Iraq is intriguing not because of the claim itself, but because of the man making it. Allawi for years ran an Iraqi exile group called the Iraqi National Accord. In recent years, he was the Iraqi exile closest to the CIA. And although George Tenet has spoken repeatedly about the prewar Iraq-al Qaeda connection, he has been at odds with many in the bureaucracy beneath him.

    Allawi's claims about the Iraq-al Qaeda connection--claims he has made for several years--have not always been solid. In December, Allawi provided journalists with a document indicating that September 11 hijacker Mohammed Atta trained in Iraq weeks before the 9/11 hijackings. That same three-page document also claimed that Iraq had--as President Bush claimed in his State of the Union Address--sought uranium from Niger. The report was a bit too politically convenient and was quickly dismissed as a forgery.

    But Allawi isn't the only prominent member of the new Iraqi government to have suggested Iraq-al Qaeda connections. His deputy, Barham Salih, has also repeatedly alleged that Saddam's regime supported Ansar al Islam, al Qaeda-linked Islamists in Kurdistan. "Yes, they hate each other, but they're very utilitarian," said Salih. "Saddam Hussein, a secular infidel to many jihadists, had no problem giving money to Hamas. This debate [about whether Saddam worked with al Qaeda] is stupid. The proof is there."

    ABC News' outstanding Pentagon reporter, Martha Raddatz, also reported on the Iraq-al Qaeda connection last week. But her May 25, 2004, report on Abu Musab al Zarqawi, an al Qaeda associate who joined forces with Ansar al Islam terrorists, buried an important detail. "In late 2002, officials say, Zarqawi began establishing sleeper cells in Baghdad and acquiring weapons from Iraqi Intelligence officials." (emphasis added).

    Stephen F. Hayes is a staff writer at The Weekly Standard and author of The Connection: How al Qaeda's Collaboration with Saddam Hussein has Endangered America (HarperCollins).
     
  2. FranchiseBlade

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    Is that the same Stephen F. Hayes who wrote the book, trying to make a connection?

    Is that the same prime minister that had been living outside of Iraq in exile during the time in which he claims that the connections were being established? This is the same Prime Minister that was at one time on the CIA payroll, right?
     
  3. basso

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    if you'd read the article, you questions would be answered.
     
  4. mc mark

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    Northern Iraq? The part of Iraq that Saddm had no control over?
     
  5. SamFisher

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    1. Ansar links are nothing new and are not news, this guy is repeating the same thing we have heard before....what new evidence has he offered? Any? Considering that Ansar was operating in Kurdish territory, where Saddam excercised less control than the US, the question is why didn't we go after them before if our warplanes flew over there every day? :confused: The answer, cynically, is so that we could tie them into the larger Iraq war. Might as well keep them around for use by the Weekly Standard at a later date. I wonder how many people died because of that decision? I might be wrong, but didn't a lot of them pack up and move out in anticipation of the war deadline before we could get them?

    2. I note that you didn't bold the part that examines Allawi's (who Chalabi is a big fan of, btw) dubious record in this area (Niger uranium, Atta, etc) I wonder why not?

    3. Even if true (again, there is evidence on the other side, the lack of foreign fighters, the saddam letter, etc) Zarquwi pre-war establishing sleeper cells to conduct the resistance post war certainly begs a serious question doesn't it?
     
  6. basso

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    which is?
     
  7. basso

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    i note you neglected to mention joe wilson's book confirms the niger uranium story.
     
  8. FranchiseBlade

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    I read the article and the answers were yes. The questions were rhetorical. As has been pointed out, this isn't the first claim with little merit that he's instigated.

    He's disreputable, and his claims aren't news and there is no proof or substantiation.
     
  9. SamFisher

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    I have a hard time believeing that, but please elucidate whatever convoluted reasoning supports this.

    That George W. Bush really is a uniter, and not a divider.
     
  10. GladiatoRowdy

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    I did read the article and found...

    So, you have a man and his deputy making claims that have not always been solid. Furthermore, these people have not been living IN Iraq, so their opinions are mere speculation which, combined with being on the payroll of the DoD, makes them highly suspect as sources of "intelligence."
     
  11. GladiatoRowdy

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    Ambassador Wilson specifically stated that the Niger uranium story had no basis in fact. That is the reason that his wife's identity was leaked.

    Do you read anything that isn't on the Weekly Standard reading list???
     
  12. basso

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    from WaPO:
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A54640-2004Apr29.html

    "It was Saddam Hussein's information minister, Mohammed Saeed Sahhaf, often referred to in the Western press as "Baghdad Bob," who approached an official of the African nation of Niger in 1999 to discuss trade--an overture the official saw as a possible effort to buy uranium._._._.

    In his book, Wilson recounts his encounter with the unnamed Niger official in 2002, saying, he "hesitated and looked up to the sky as if plumbing the depths of his memory, then offered that perhaps the Iraqi might have wanted to talk about uranium." Wilson did not get the Iraqi's name in 2002, but he writes that he talked to his source again four months ago, and that the former official said he saw Sahhaf on television before the start of the war and recognized him as the person he talked to in 1999."
     
  13. GladiatoRowdy

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    As you say, Wilson't source told him that Sahhaf "might have wanted to talk about uranium."

    Pure speculation, which is why Wilson discredited the claim a year before GWB brought it up in the SOTU. This is also why Wilson went public two days later, making it absolutely clear that the Niger uranium story was false.

    Who are you listening to, that you believe this horse manure?
     
  14. basso

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    noted neocon organ WaPo.
     
  15. SamFisher

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    Fair enough, but what does this have to do with the forged documents Allawi handed over? There is no controversy as to the fact that they are universally considered fraudulent (didn't they bear the signature of the wrong Nigerien official, right?).
     
  16. GladiatoRowdy

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    The WaPo specifically showed in the story that the official from Niger NEVER talked to anyone from Iraq about uranium. He thought they MIGHT want to talk about it, but that is a far cry from (as you claim) proving the uranium story true, much less that Wilson himself confirmed it.
     
  17. No Worries

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    USA has links to terrorists.

    USA must invade itself and liberate their people of its terrorists loving government.

    Nothing to see here. Move along.
     
  18. Bogey

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    Because most people that refute these claims are in Iraq?
     
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    Nice pointless incite.
     
  20. FranchiseBlade

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    Thank you, Andy for beating me to the punch about the Niger deal being confirmed.

    There was no attempt made, and the man cited as the main source in this article has previously supplied our government with bad intel regarding Iraq. I'd say basing a story on sources like this equals no story.
     

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