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Neocon Coup at the Department d'État

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  1. mc mark

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    By MAUREEN DOWD

    WASHINGTON

    Let others fight over whether the war in Iraq was a neocon vigilante action disrupting diplomacy. The neocons have moved on to a vigilante action to occupy diplomacy.

    The audacious ones have saddled up their pre-emptive steeds and headed off to force a regime change at Foggy Bottom.

    President Bush staged a Texan tableau vivant last night, playing host at his ranch to the secretary of state, his wife, Alma, and his deputy, Richard Armitage. Mr. Bush wanted to show solidarity after a Washington Post story on Monday that said that Colin Powell, under pressure from his wife, said he would not be part of a second Bush term, nor would Mr. Armitage.

    Mr. Bush might be trying to signal his respect for Mr. Powell, but the president is not always privy to the start of a grandiose neocon scheme.

    The scene was reminiscent of last August in Crawford, when Mr. Bush dismissed press "churning" that the administration was on the verge of striking Iraq, saying, "When I say I'm a patient man, I mean I'm a patient man and that we will look at all options and we will consider all technologies available to us, and diplomacy and intelligence."

    We all know how that turned out.

    When the neocons want something done, they'll get it done, no matter what Mr. Bush thinks. And they think Mr. Powell has downgraded the top cabinet post into a human resources job, making nicey-nice with the U.N. and assorted bad guys instead of pursuing the neocon blueprint for world domination through what James Woolsey calls World War IV (World War III being the cold war.)

    Countering the Post story, Mr. Powell's posse claimed that neither the secretary of state nor his deputy had ever said they intended to step down, and charged that the neocons were leaking a canard to turn the two men they consider lame doves into lame ducks.

    "This is the revenge of the neocons for two months of bad news, looking like they're falling all over themselves in Iraq," said a Powell confidant, noting that Alma Powell was furious she had been dragged in.

    In The Post, nearly all of the names of those who could move up if Mr. Powell moves out are Iraq hawks: Condi Rice, Paul Wolfowitz and Newt Gingrich were mentioned as candidates for secretary of state; Wolfie, Cheney Chief of Staff Scooter Libby and Condi deputy Steve Hadley, who may be radioactive after the uranium mistake, were mentioned for national security chief.

    Mr. Wolfowitz has been tacitly campaigning for the jobs. He told Charlie Rose about his vice-regal trip to Iraq, where he said at last grateful Iraqis were thronging. "As we would drive by, little kids would run up to the road and give us a thumbs up sign," he said. (At least he thought it was the thumb.)

    The move against the popular Powell had all the earmarks of the neocons' pre-emptive strike on Iraq.

    1.) Demonize. Reiterating his speech trashing Foggy Bottom last April for propping up dictators and coddling the corrupt, Mr. Gingrich — a Rummy ally who serves on the Defense Policy Board — called for "top-to-bottom reform and culture shock" at State in an article in the July Foreign Policy magazine.

    2.) Sex-up the intelligence. The leakers spread word that Mr. Armitage told Condi that he and Mr. Powell would leave on Jan. 21, 2005, the day after the next presidential inauguration. "Nonsense," said Mr. Powell. "Nonsense," said Mr. Armitage.

    3.) Create a false rationale. Everyone knew the pair might not stay for a second term. But the neocons were impatient to give them a push, blaming poor Alma Powell for henpecking her husband when they were.

    4.) Bring about regime change.

    5.) Fail to prepare for the aftermath. "Newt as secretary of state?" sneered one Powell pal. "Hel-lo?"

    6.) Make sure it's good for Ariel Sharon. Just as the neocons made their move on Mr. Powell, pro-Israel hawks scorned the secretary for not being on their team in the peace process. Israel's supporters scoffed at the new threat to cut loan guarantees as a State Department policy, not a White House policy.

    7.) Ignore the real threat. While the neocons are preoccupying the country with Iraq and a coup at the department d'état, Al Qaeda may have blown up a Marriott in Indonesia and are plotting attacks here.

    8.) Change the subject. Next stop, North Korea.
     
  2. MadMax

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    i stopped reading at the words, "Maureen Dowd." :)
     
  3. mc mark

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    That's to bad
     
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    Ditto. She has to be one of the most annoying of the leftist columnists.
     
  5. El_Conquistador

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    Sigh, the liberal left once again fails to advance a positive agenda...
     
  6. giddyup

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    "2.) Sex-up the intelligence. The leakers spread word that Mr. Armitage told Condi that he and Mr. Powell would leave on Jan. 21, 2005, the day after the next presidential inauguration. "Nonsense," said Mr. Powell. "Nonsense," said Mr. Armitage."

    Since when does a second in command announce decisions of this import for the first in command?
     
  7. mc mark

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    sigh...typical neocon response


    Demonize the messenger...not the message...
     
  8. MadMax

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    sorta like if you saw an article with the author as susan coulter..or rush limbaugh. and i can't blame you for that.
     
  9. mc mark

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    at least I read them
     
  10. MadMax

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    really? i know many here who wouldn't...and who have said as much.

    maureen is my least favorite...i've read here enough...it never changes.
     
  11. RocketMan Tex

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    Sigh, just like the radical right from 1992-2000.

    Or the Bush Administration from 2000-present.

    Being the first President to have a net negative job loss since Herbert Hoover is very positive, dontcha think?
     
  12. glynch

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    i stopped reading at the words, "Maureen Dowd." Madmax

    When is the next lecture going to come about how you are a neutral fact finder, consier all points of view, as opposed to many of the rest of the us who you constantly enounce as close minded peope who like to label people?

    really? i know many here who wouldn't...and who have said as much

    Whoops! It came pretty soon.
     
  13. El_Conquistador

    El_Conquistador King of the D&D, The Legend, #1 Ranking

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    Read my last post in the Fritz Hollings thread. It is directed at insane comments like that above. Teaching calculus to third graders...
     
  14. glynch

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    Interesting read how the pro-war gang wants Powell out. It was indeed strange the supposed statement about leaving and the quick retraction.

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  15. RocketMan Tex

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    And I'm sure the hordes of unemployed people throughout the country are just as insane, aren't they?

    Teaching the truth to sheep...:rolleyes:
     
  16. FranchiseBlade

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    On MSNBC they were floating the idea that the rumor was false so that other countries when dealing with Powell wouldn't think they were talking to a lame duck Sec of State.
     
  17. MadMax

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    glynch -- get over yourself. if i posted an article from rush limbaugh the first 20 posts in the thread would be about how ridiculous he is...same with coulter.

    maureen dowd is about as neutral as mike tyson. i have read her stuff...many times over...curiously, her articles sound a lot like your posts. lots of big halliburton and bush family schemes. i'm sure you love her...i personally don't enjoy reading her articles. just raises my blood pressure.

    why do you even bother responding to my posts?...move along...nothing to see here.
     
  18. giddyup

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    Similarly, the Dems are trying to hurt Condi Rice politically because she would make a formidable VP candidate for the Reps in the near future.... but wait, shouldn't she be a Democrat! :D
     
  19. El_Conquistador

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    I'd love to see your objective analysis of how the Bush Administration has caused the unemployment, as you so naively imply over and over. Perhaps you could share with us the deep economic thought that you have given to this matter -- or at least the page in the Sierra Club magazine that you read it from.
     
  20. rimbaud

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    Obviously, to try to make you look bad.
     

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