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[NBA.com - Trade] Darrell Armstrong To Dallas for Dickau + 2nd rounder

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by Deuce, Dec 3, 2004.

  1. Deuce

    Deuce Context & Nuance

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    Great move for Dallas. Basically N.O. just gave away Armstrong. I bet Armstrong's hustle would have looked good with the Rockets! :(

    N.O. might have a firesale shortly with their team. I wonder if someone like PJ Brown can be had?

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    http://www.nba.com/hornets/news/dickau_trade041203.html

    Hornets Trade Darrell Armstrong To Dallas

    New Orleans - The Hornets have acquired guard Dan Dickau and a 2005 second round draft pick from the Dallas Mavericks in exchange for guard Darrell Armstrong.

    “This move helps our team by letting Junior Harrington and Alex Garcia see more playing time,” said Hornets General Manager Allan Bristow. “We see bright futures for both of them and feel very comfortable with them receiving more minutes and continuing to develop.”

    Armstrong, who was signed by the Hornets as a free agent on July 29, 2003, averaged 10.6 points and 4.0 assists in 93 total games for the team. He averaged 10.1 points and 4.6 points in 14 games this season.

    “I’ve been very impressed with Junior and Alex and they’ve earned this opportunity,” said Hornets Head Coach Byron Scott. “Darrell is a true professional and a great veteran, but he is approaching the end of his career and this move will benefit the Hornets.”

    Dickau had appeared in four games with the Mavericks this season, averaging 1.3 points in 4.0 minutes. The 6-0 guard has also played in Atlanta and Portland and holds career averages of 2.9 points and 1.3 assists in 97 games.

    “This trade is a great example of how we will continue to make every effort to improve our team,” said Hornets Majority Owner George Shinn. “I’m confident that Allan and his staff are doing everything possible to make our organization better both at present and in the future.”
     
  2. gucci888

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    The Hornets basicallly gave Armstrong away. CD better have something cooking. :mad:
     
  3. Deuce

    Deuce Context & Nuance

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    Yup!

    And seriously, with Maglore out 3 months, Mashburn all but retired and Baron Davis in and out of the lineup, the Hornets are in for a dreadful season! They are playing for the lottery

    I would venture to say ANY old veteran on that team can be had. PJ Brown, George Lynch?

    Depending on what the Hornets will take I would look into getting PJ Brown.
     
  4. AroundTheWorld

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    Houston trades: PG Reece Gaines (2.0 ppg, 1.0 rpg, 1.0 apg in 15.0 minutes)
    PG Tyronn Lue (6.4 ppg, 2.2 rpg, 3.3 apg in 23.8 minutes)
    SF Clarence Weatherspoon (2.9 ppg, 2.1 rpg, 0.3 apg in 7.9 minutes)
    Houston receives: PF PJ Brown (9.0 ppg, 8.0 rpg, 1.9 apg in 34.7 minutes)
    Change in team outlook: -2.3 ppg, +2.7 rpg, and -2.7 apg.

    New Orleans trades: PF PJ Brown (9.0 ppg, 8.0 rpg, 1.9 apg in 34.7 minutes)
    New Orleans receives: PG Reece Gaines (2.0 ppg, 1.0 rpg, 1.0 apg in 15.0 minutes)
    PG Tyronn Lue (6.4 ppg, 2.2 rpg, 3.3 apg in 23.8 minutes)
    SF Clarence Weatherspoon (2.9 ppg, 2.1 rpg, 0.3 apg in 7.9 minutes)
    Change in team outlook: +2.3 ppg, -2.7 rpg, and +2.7 apg.

    TRADE ACCEPTED

    Due to Houston and New Orleans being over the cap, the 15% trade rule is invoked. Houston and New Orleans had to be no more than 115% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.


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    They do it because they want to tank, and Weatherspoon's contract is a year shorter than P.J.'s contract. Lue's contract even runs out after this year. Gaines is just cap fodder, we should try to squeeze that one in for taking on their longer contract.

    I WISH.
     
  5. Deuce

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    SJC, done!

    If you did that then in 2 years Taylor and Brown would both come off our cap for 17M.
     
  6. tierre_brown

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    But why would they want Lue/Gaines? They just traded away an old PG to let their younger PGs gain more experience...
     
  7. Deuce

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    The idea would be to lop off Brown's contract. That would be the impitus of the deal.
     
  8. AroundTheWorld

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    Lue because his contract expires after this season. Gaines: probably not, but we could try...
     
  9. mogrod

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    Actually, according to realgm, Gaines wouldn't have to be thrown in to match contracts within 15%.

    But, maybe, we could throw in Gaines in exchange for Dickau since we are trading Lue away. PG rotation: Sura/Barrett/Ward/Dickau
     
  10. tierre_brown

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    But that leaves them amazingly thin in the frontcourt. I don't think they'd get rid of their only bigman just for contract purposes...I guess that's why I'm not a GM...or a believer in throwing the season either.
     
  11. JumpMan

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    Mavs just ripped them off! Armstrong makes a huge difference where ever he goes even though they always lost he always played well and hard and had his teammates playing hard all game long too.
     
  12. tim562

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    Every team seems to add key role players but us...This is a steal
     
  13. xiki

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    blasted good question...also, why is Mav org. that good (and Rox not)???

    http://hornets.realgm.com/articles.phtml?aid=2


    Was Dan Dickau The Best The Hornets Could Get For Armstrong?
    Patrick J. Austin - 3rd December, 2004 7:54 PM

    In a surprising move, the New Orleans Hornets traded veteran point guard, Darrell Armstrong, to the Dallas Mavericks for Dan Dickau and a 2005 second round pick. When I first saw the trade, I was befuddled. Is that all the Hornets could get for one of the better backup point guards in the league? I have to say, this was a terrible deal for New Orleans.

    The point guard position is one of the hardest to fill with talent. Darrell Armstrong is definitely one of the better backup point guards in the league. It’s not just what he brings on the court, it’s what he brings off it. He’s a natural leader and a great locker room presence. That’s even harder to find in today’s NBA. You shouldn’t just give someone like that away. And that’s basically what the Hornets did. Dickau is a bust and won’t stay with New Orleans past this season. That second round is going to be very, very, very low. I’d be shocked if it turns into anyone special.

    If the Hornets really wanted to trade Armstrong, they should have been more patient and held out for a better deal. They could have at least gotten a future first round pick from someone. Why didn’t Allan Bristow give the Rockets a call? They certainly need a point guard more than the Mavericks, and probably would have been willing to give up Reece Gaines or a first rounder. How bout the Nets? They are probably going to trade Kidd and could use a smaller contract point guard like Armstrong to replace him. They’d happily deal Aaron Williams for Armstrong.

    Maybe this is a signal that the Hornets are ready to bow out this season and rebuild. There’s a rumor going around that Baron Davis could be out for the season. It that turns into reality, then they would be wise to deal away some of their veterans for youth. But they’ve got to make better deals than this. Giving away your players will only take you to obscurity, not prosperity.
     
  14. foodworld

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    Wow, this is Dan Dickau's sixth team since being drafted! For someone who is so quick and shoots so well, he's really struggling in the NBA. Anyone know why no team is giving him a chance?
     
  15. Clutch

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    Here is what I think is sad:

    1) That the Dallas Mavericks have made just about every sub .500 team in the league it's trading b****.

    2) That the Mavericks could get Darrell Armstrong for so little.

    3) That the Rockets, realistically, couldn't have beaten the paltry offer.

    4) That a team with Devin Harris, Marquis Daniels and Jason Terry coached by Avery Johnson feels it needs another point guard (and gets one) ... while we stand fast with Charlie Ward, Bobby Sura and Tyronn Lue.
     
  16. Deuce

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    :(

    Ain't that the truth.... especially to #1!
     
  17. CriscoKidd

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    because he's not NBA level talent?

    And yup, DA coulda been just what the rox ordered for what ails em. Hell, even David Wesley would be better than our current pg abomination.

    I don't get the fascination with PJ. He might've been a good fit if he was the player he was 4 years ago, but now he's on the decline with a huge contract.
     
  18. franchise?..NOT

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    If NO really believe they are giving Harrington a chance to get more time then this is not necessarily the beginning of a fire sale but a move to get young guys more experience. If that is the case then they MAY be interested in guys like Gaines and Boki. Boki MAY have a future somewhere else and they need to look at options at the 3. I could see them being interested in Howard because if he does not work out then he is at least tradeable with a modest salary and starters experience to maybe a team like GS or Boston.
     
  19. rrj_gamz

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    Dan Dickau must be the most traveled/traded guy ever...He is always being traded...I liked his game in college, but does he suck that bad that he's always apart of a package...
     
  20. ivanyy2000

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    That is why Mavs is good and Rox is not.

    Hornets gave away a 10pts/4 Asts PG for free and we couldn't get it. Remember Armstrong played with T-Mac in Orlando, he was the ball handler and enforcer back then. We could definitely use him.:(
     

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