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Nadler: Obama didn't have the political courage to walk out of Wright's church

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  1. basso

    basso Member
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    that's my congressman.

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    I'm so proud...
     
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  2. basso

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    here's a transcript from ABC:

    http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/11/nadler-criticiz.html

    [rquoter]Nadler Criticizes Obama’s 'Courage'

    November 02, 2008 11:10 PM

    Rep. Jerrold Nadler, D-NY, was down in Florida over the weekend, and one supposes that he thought he was helping Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., but it will ultimately be hard to make that case.

    Pamela Geller at Atlas Shrugged has posted some video of Nadler at a synagogue in Boca Raton trying to explain why Obama was able to stay in Rev. Jeremiah Wright’s church for 20 years.

    He starts off my saying he has no idea of what he's talking about. And then he proceeds to open mouth, insert foot.

    Says Nadler: “I have no personal knowledge of what I'm about to say. What I'm about to say is my guess...”

    Hoo boy.

    “My guess,” Nadler said, “knowing how politics works, what I'm about to say is not particularly...”

    He searches for the word. Rejects a couple suggestions.

    “...not particularly complimentary towards Sen. Obama,” he says.

    “Think of the history here,” says the six-term New York congressman. “You have a guy who's half-white, half-black. He goes to an Ivy League school, comes to Chicago ... to start a political career. Doesn't know anybody.

    “Gets involved with community organizing -- why? Because that's how your form a base. OK. Joins the largest church in the neighborhood. About 8,000 members. ... Why did he join the church? ... Because that's how you get to know people.

    “Now maybe it takes a couple years,” Nadler says, suggesting that soon Obama starts to think of Wright, “'Jesus, the guy's a nut, the guy's a lunatic.' But you don’t walk out of a church with 8,000 members in your district.”

    Suggests a woman: “You don’t walk in though.”

    “He didn't know it when he walked in, presumably,” said Nadler.

    And then, the line that may haunt Nadler for four years or longer: “He didn't have the political courage to make the statement of walking out.

    “Now, what does it tell me?” Nadler asked. “It tells me that he wasn't terribly political courageous. Does it tell me that he agreed with the reverend in any way? No. It tells me he didn't want to walk out of a church in his district.”

    What’s even funnier about this is that the previous time I can recall Nadler talking about Obama was in December 2006, when Jason Horowitz of the New York Observer chatted with him at the Israeli Policy Forum.

    Nadler told the Observer that Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., “had called him earlier yesterday to tell him that she was leaning towards running for president, and that he said he would support her. His choice, he explained, was a pragmatic one.

    "'I don't see a lot of other good possibilities in our party,' said Nadler… 'Someone like Barack Obama, who is suddenly a real candidate, always worries me, because he is a novice candidate. He hasn't done it before. Novice candidates, not always, but 95 percent of the time make a mistake. I made some terrible mistakes in office, when I was district leader, no one remembers what they are. I wasn't in front of all the news cameras.'”

    Yes, Congressman Nadler. Heaven forbid that you make a mistake in front of a camera! Only a novice would make such a mistake!

    Oy![/rquoter]
     
    #2 basso, Nov 3, 2008
  3. basso

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    from the same event:

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    [rquoter]Nadler: We have not been willing to put our priorities properly. We have not been willing to say ... "Hey Russia, we won't expand NATO into the Ukraine and Georgia, right next to your borders, if you cooperate with us on Iran." ...I think Iran and Israel are a hell of a lot more important than expanding NATO to Russia's borders. Why should we? What do we need it for?

    Audience member: Because they invaded Georgia.

    Nadler: So let 'em invade Georgia. It's right next to them. Would we tolerate a foreign — a Russian army in Mexico? Which is more important to us Georgia or Israel, frankly?

    Audience member: What is more important to us Czechoslovakia or Austria?

    Nadler: That's a completely separate kind of question.[/rquoter]

    meet the new change, same as the old change, the reconstitution of the Soviet Union.
     
    #3 basso, Nov 3, 2008
  4. SamFisher

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    Replying to yourself twice in one thread = increasing signs of despair
     
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  5. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    Tomorrow night he will be mumbling to himself in a corner.

    :D

    DD
     
    #5 DaDakota, Nov 3, 2008
  6. giddyup

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    Then what is "attacking" the messenger instead of the message? :eek:
     
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  7. DaDakota

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    What message?

    It is Basso...he has no message only propaganda.

    DD
     
    #7 DaDakota, Nov 3, 2008
  8. giddyup

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    Since when is/was Jerome Nadler a propagandist for the Republicans?
     
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  9. mc mark

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    You have officially lost your mind.

    Seek a therapist
     
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  10. DaDakota

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    So, that is his opinion...big deal......

    DD
     
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  11. Oski2005

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    When you two are ready to criticize people who stuck by Falwell and others when they said 9/11 was God's punishment or the people who stuck with Evangelist preachers who damned America because it allowed abortions, then I'll take your criticisms of Obama more seriously.

    Especially when we are talking about 2 sermons and we don't even know if Obama was there yet somehow 2 sermons now equals 20 years of him damning america.
     
    #11 Oski2005, Nov 3, 2008
  12. pgabriel

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    kitchen sink
     
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  13. Major

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    He uses the basso-style of posting in his speeches!
     
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  14. Invisible Fan

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    I wouldn't be that unfair.

    Even Carrot Top or Bozo the Clown has a message.
     
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  15. mc mark

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    Poll: McCain's Attacks On Obama Completely Flopped

    Some interesting numbers from the internals of the new NBC/WSJ poll illustrate as clearly as you could want that every one of McCain's major attack lines has been a complete flop:

    * Despite months of attacks on Obama's allegedly sinister background and cultural identity, a solid majority of likely voters, 57%, say that Obama has a background and set of values they can identify with, versus only 39% who say he doesn't. Those numbers are virtually identical to McCain's, which are 57%-38%.

    * Asked which would concern them more about an Obama presidency, his lack of experience or the possibility that he would raise taxes, 14% cite taxes and 20% cite inexperience. Forty-eight percent -- more than those two combined -- say that "neither is a concern." This, despite weeks of attacks on Obama as a lightweight and empty suit who wants to hike taxes on ordinary plumbers and hockey moms everywhere.

    * Despite all the attacks suggesting that Obama harbors a secret and shadowy agenda that he has yet to reveal, a huge majority of 67% say that they know what Obama and Biden would do if elected.

    All those lies, all for naught.

    http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/
     
    #15 mc mark, Nov 3, 2008
  16. lpbman

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    Where is that Pailin Witchdoctor video... I never seem to have it handy.
     
    #16 lpbman, Nov 3, 2008
  17. gifford1967

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    I made a thread just for this, but I think I'll post it here also. Just to make sure basso is fully informed-

    McCain on Liddy's radio show:

    "I'm proud of you, I'm proud of your family." "It's always a pleasure for me to come on your program, Gordon, and congratulations on your continued success and adherence to the principles and philosophies that keep our nation great."


    Liddy describing his plot to kill journalist Jack Anderson in Playboy:

    PLAYBOY: …What did you finally decide on?

    LIDDY: A simple if un-James Bondish method… we merely decided to make it a lethal mugging.

    PLAYBOY: Who would have done the job?

    LIDDY: It was initially decided to assign it to some of our Cuban-exile assets, but then Hunt began to worry that our principals would deem it too sensitive a matter to be entrusted to them. So I volunteered to do it myself.

    [...]

    LIDDY: …We didn’t want to make it look like anything more than another Washington street-crime statistic, remember, so no sophisticated weaponry could be employed.

    PLAYBOY: How would you have killed him?

    LIDDY: Oh, I would have knifed him or broken his neck, probably. One of us would have died, no doubt about it. But, as I say, we never received the final green light.

    PLAYBOY: Were you relieved or disappointed?

    LIDDY: I was neither. I was acting on the instructions of my principal, and I was prepared to follow those instructions either way they went.

    PLAYBOY: You really see nothing anomalous, much less frightening, about two aides to the President of the United States cold-bloodedly plotting to assassinate one of the country’s leading reporters?

    LIDDY:I know it violates the sensibilities of the innocent and tender-minded, but in the real world, you sometimes have to employ extreme and extralegal methods to preserve the very system whose laws you’re violating.
     
    #17 gifford1967, Nov 3, 2008
  18. B-Bob

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    Who is this Reverand Wright (sp?)?

    Where can I learn more? I still have not voted, and this issue could be very important!
     
    #18 B-Bob, Nov 3, 2008
  19. giddyup

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    I'm just pointing out that it is Nadler's message posted by basso
     
    #19 giddyup, Nov 3, 2008
  20. weslinder

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    Maybe I'm wierd, but to me, the high point of Obama's esteem in my eyes was when he gave that speech defending Wright, without defending what he said. Then a couple of weeks later, he threw him under the bus like a typical politician would, and proved that he didn't mean any of it.

    I get Jeremiah Wright, and I get Trinity UCC. There's lots of pastors and churches out there just like them. Some radical theology and radical rhetoric, but they do a ton of good for their communities. I'd have a lot more respect for Obama if he had stayed loyal. (But I'm just one radical.)
     
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