This will focus on Bush and won't be unbiased, so I welcome anyone to come up with some for Gore because I'm sure there are many. -Apparantly, liberal judges would subvert legislature. Pretty much a direct quote. -The new abortion pill would lead to "more abortions because there would be more abortions". -"Not only does he think he invented the internet, I'm starting to think he invented the calculator." Could there be a quote that's ever been taken out of context more often. He said he "took the initiative in helping invent the internet." Co-sponsoring a bill that gave the Pentagon funds to do exactly that qualifies for me. -Bush can't even stand up for his own beliefs. He wouldn't even admit that he would appoint pro-life justices while Gore expressly stated that he would appoint justices that would not overturn Roe v. Wade. -Bush can't seem to decide if the military is the strongest, or that it should be "rebuilt". -He kept saying he was the "CEO" of Texas, the 2nd largest state. He fails to mention that Texas has one of the weakest governorship in the nation. -He kept criticizing the current administration for being "bi-partisan", like the Republicans were just chomping at the bits to work with them. Clinton/Gore have been vilified from the very beginning, those amusing bumper stickers appearing shortly after the election in 1992. I guess he also forgot the welfare reform bill of 1996, and numerous others. -According to Bush, a "poor" family of 4 makes $50,000 a year. Tell that to the millions of families making much, much less than that. -Bush kept criticizing Gore for trying to scare people into the voting booths. Yet, he keeps trying to scare the voters into believing that a vote for Gore would lead to the biggest "explosion" of government intrusion in their lives. -According to Bush, "at-risk children can't learn". -During the financial crisis question, he gave so many obvious answers (I'd consult Greenspan, study to see how serious it is, etc.) that I was waiting for him to say that he'd get dressed, brush his teeth, etc. Basically, he gave all generalizations, no specifics. Gore showed, to me, that he was obviously better in the details, but all-in-all Bush didn't do that bad a job. ------------------ Cheerleaders are just dancers who've gone r****ded. visit www.swirve.com
About the Internet thing, Gore is a r****d. Pentagon didnt "invent" the internet. The INternet was created in the 1960's. I believe that thats before Gore was in Public Office. Why does TExas have a weak governership. Explain. Bush is right. If Gore is elected, the government will be huge and superflous. Bush never said at-risk children cant learn. If you listened, he was talking about KIPP academy in Houston where at-risk children are "some of the best learners in houston". ------------------ Starting at shortstop, for the Houston Astros, Nomar Garciaparra. or Starting at First Base, for the Boston Red Sox, Jeff Bagwell!!!
similar quotes can be gotten from Al Gore, although I would have to be really bored to have remember it exactly or written it down or something (it was pretty boring). They both suck, jsut admit it. One cant logically criticize Bush without being a hypocrite. Let me pick out one of your points though, simply to show how people are always focusing on their PREDETERMINED feelings if there mind is already made up. The same can be said for all the quotes and for Gore's stupid statements also. IF that's really what Bush meant he probably wouldnt have gone on to explain how these, mostly hispanic, children were among the best learners in Houston. Anyway, just a point about how people mistrue things. If you didnt see the debate, to take this point, what Bush actually said was "at-risk children" are those who are said to have poorer opportunities to learn, etc. I have been planning on voting third party (I'd like to hear peoples opinions about the LIbertarian party's Harry Browne by the way) and watched the debate to see if either candidate could sway my vote. Of course it didn't happen. But if I had to pick who won this debate, I would say Bush won because Gore was tooooo dominating, kinda pushy in a way. Bush stuck to topic, tried to answer the questions, was short, sweet and simple. One final note, who in the world decided to make Al Gore look like a woman? Was he wearing lipstick or something? Does he always look like that? It is strange man. ------------------ Remember.... You are not really drunk until you must hold on to the grass to keep from falling off the earth. [This message has been edited by JayZ750 (edited October 03, 2000).]
Actually, he said these kids were labeled "at-risk", which meant they couldn't learn. He then went on to say that they could learn because of the charter school (in other words, he felt they could learn). "At-risk" really has more to do with environmental risks (crime, drugs, violence) than with learning ability... ------------------ Talking to a dead hare about art
Bush said that he would not have a litmus test except for the fact that he wanted judges who believed in the constitution and not try to change it Bush stated that it would become easier to have an abortion and his greatest concern was that the drug was safe for women to use it. The Internet was invented by the military in the late 1960's. Last time I checked, Gore did not take public office until the mid 1970's Unfortunately neither can Gore. Since his answer to this question was he would only pick judges who would uphold Roe VS. Wade but in his next breath say that he would not have a litmus test. Do we have the strongest military in the world? Yes Does it need some help with the pay and moral? Yes Does it need more incentive for officers to stay in and teach the new recruits? Yes Gee, it sounds like Bush knows what he was talking about. Maybe it is a weak govenorship but we are the 35th largest economy in the world, all by ourselves. Clinton/Gore are all about partisanship. Always have been. Whenever they could not get a bill passed or one of their socialist programs passed they blamed it on the republicans. That welfare reform bill( a republican bill) was vetoed by Clinton 2 times before he finally signed it. Funny thing about that is that he only signed after the polling numbers said for him to do it. Anybody who pays taxes should get some tax relief. the $50,000 number is merely a threshold. If you will just read his plans for spending the surplus. He wants to spend 5 trillion dollars. I thought the surplus was only going to be 4 trillion. Must be that fuzzy math again. He said that at-risk at the school in Houston were some of the best learners in the state. I thought Greenspan was the mastermind behind our bulging economy. Just a few observations.. ------------------ Houston Rockets Forever!! In Rudy We Trust [This message has been edited by Dennis2112 (edited October 03, 2000).] [This message has been edited by Dennis2112 (edited October 03, 2000).]
The interesting thing about appointing Supreme Court justices is how influential they can be. Eisenhower, a conservative man, appointed Thurogood Marshall, the first black and most liberal justice ever who is responsible for Brown vs. the board of education among other decision. When asked why he did that he said, "If there is no balance in our court system, there is no balance anywhere in America." Now, THAT is smart. ------------------ Save Our Rockets and Comets SaveOurRockets.com
Anyone that uses the terms Mediscare and fuzzy math more than once in a debate frightens me! ------------------ Too often, we lose sight of life's simple pleasures. Remember, when someone annoys you it takes 42 muscles in your face to frown, but it only takes 4 muscles to extend your arm and pimp-slap the mother****** upside the head!
On Preparation alone, they both did well, but the difference was that you could tell Bush was prepped. When you don't have more than one answer to a question then it's easy to tell you have been memorizing answers. When he was stuck he'd come back to what he'd memorized. I think he covered it well, but his repetitiveness on key words blew his cover. Gore repeated key ideas in a different text. It showed that he is polished as a politician. ------------------ humble, but hungry.
I was only surprised by some of the restraint used by Bush when Gore left himself open for a proper right uppercut. Examples: 1. Gore said on three seperate occasions that he wanted to give taxpayers a $10,000 a year taxbreak toward tuition. In fact, he wants to have a TAX CREDIT of $10,000 PER HOUSHOLD NOT $10,000 tax reduction relief. Let me explain just how minimal and paradoxically adverse this is. Using the present Fiscal Year 1999 IRS Tax Code, if you are in the 20% tax bracket, that $10000 TAX CREDIT PER HOUSEHOLD means that you would get a tax credit of $2,000 for the HOUSEHOLD. Guess what it is now? Yep, $2,000 PER PERSON. He also wants it to continue to be qualified. That is, only $10,000 tax credit towards basic tuition in a FULLTIME SCHEDULE per household, which would not include books, supplies, room or board, partime courses, partially credits, etc .... as qualified expenditures. Bush wants an across-the-board TAX CUT that you can use towards anything, (including education) AND continue to keep the $2000 PER PERSON education deduction that is presently in place! This accross the board tax cut would be commensurate with what you earned. That same 20% tax bracket family in the example above would save an additional $1100 TAX REFUNDED, plus maintain their $2000 per person deduction. Gore should have been called on the carpet for that! 2.In another example, Gore kept referring to a lady who drove all the way from Ohio to be there and who picks up cans on the side of the road to help supplement her social security and medical expenses. All Bush should have said was: "... Mr Gore and his administration had eight years to do something for this lady, so why is she living in this condition? .......Huh, Al? Why haven't you done something about it in eight years? If it is deplorable, why wait until you are asking for votes? .... Why is it suddenly the republican presidental candidates fault that this condition exist. Especially when the economy is booming ... Huh, Al? Explain that! ... "
My wife is 2000 miles away (actually I am) and I want to bump fuzzy math(1s and 0s). What am I to do? ------------------ "Everyone I know has a big but... come on Simone, let's talk about your but."
Well, Gore continues to outright lie. The story he told about the girl having to stand in class has been proven wrong. The principal of the school is upset about this fabrication. He also was not in Texas for the fires like he said he was, another lie. I'm surprised nobody has mentioned his perpetual sighing whenever Bush was talking -- very classy. Also, isn't the format supposed to be one candidate talks, then the other responds? Why can't Gore follow the rules? He was always talking last. Always. Oh, and my favorite was how Gore, at the end said "You have chosen to attack me personally...I will not participate in that...", or something to that effect. Anyone who bought that is probably, well, going to vote for Gore.
I gotta agree with you about the sighing. I had to mute the TV or change the channel whenever he did that, which was a lot.
TheFreak: Are you insinuating that Bush is 'all that'? oeilpere, my eyes may have seriously glazed over during the debate, but where in the debate did they mention the tax credits for education? Was it unloaded in a laundry list of plans? I don't remember it at all. Sigh* I can't even pretend to care anymore. I tried. When the hell does the season start? ------------------ "Everyone I know has a big but... come on Simone, let's talk about your but." [This message has been edited by Achebe (edited October 04, 2000).]
The sighing was annoying but the paper being ripped every two seconds was ridiculous. Gore would rip the piece of paper, and then Bush would pause, gather himself before he exploded and then peacefully complete his thought. His constantly stopping at first made him seem as if he wasn't completely comfortable, but anyone w/ a set of ears could hear the paper being ripped. Bush later tried the same tactic on Gore but Gore is a bit too seasoned for it to affect him (it's actually why he probably raises his voice so much, so that he'll only hear himself). ------------------ "Everyone I know has a big but... come on Simone, let's talk about your but."
Here is what I took away from the debate: Moderator: What are your views of education? George W: Texas, Texas, Texas yeah we do it right. I am the CEO of Texas. I am a leader. Texas, Texas, Texas. Gore: I founded the internet and the economy is good! Elect me! George W: Texas, Texas, Tax cut for everyone who pays taxes! Gore: The economy is good! 99% get tax break, I am better! George W: Liar, Liar! Texas is good! Calculator! Gore: Economy is good and your dad is old! Etc, etc... Both of these guys looked like tools! Answer the questions, don't spit out stuff you have memorized. And please George you don't have to use "Texas" in every breath! ------------------
I just can't believe how readily Gore lies about things that are so easily verifiable. The lies about the school in Sarasota were hilarious!!! The lies about coming to Texas to inspect fire damage along with representatives of FEMA were amazing...yeah, he came to Texas...some 2 months after the FEMA guys were here and when he came he was here for a political fundraiser! And of course you guys read my post on "The Truth About Ms. Skinner." Clinton lied to cover his butt...Gore lies to get attention. It's almost comical..kinda reminds me of the kid I went to school with who said that Bruce Springsteen was his cousin. Yeah, whatever. ------------------
Achebe " .... oeilpere, my eyes may have seriously glazed over during the debate, but where in the debate did they mention the tax credits for education? .... " Sorry buddy, but he mentioned it at least three times that I recall. But like you I had to gag and pee a couple of times so I assumed he dropped it a couple more times while I was out of the room attending those functions. He brought it up twice during the education questions. Once in his own remarks, and another seperate time to rebutt Bush's education topic. He mentioned it again when they were both getting hot and heavy about senior citizens and social security. Yeah,I know ... What does ... "to give the middle class hard workers of America a $10,000 dollar education cushion ...." have to do with social security? My point is: The Bush tax plan which he stated only in general terms several times, calls for an accross the board tax decrease AND keep the present $2000 per person education tuition credit. Bush had an opportunity to lambaste the liar right then and there on those three "$10,000 deduction" occasions but he never took the punch. (I'll bet he will in the next debate!!!)
To me it is a sad state of affairs that one of these two candidates will be the future President of the United States. The Vice-Presidential candidates are not any better (if anything they make me worry even more). I know it is important to vote (so you can have your say). But to be honest I can't stand either of these two. I see numerous cons in each candidate. I wish we had more of a selection. I just came back from my National Convention. Elizabeth Dole was there to present the key-note speech. She was great. I really believe that she would have been an excellent candidate for President. I guess the U.S. is not ready for a female President. She not only has a strong political background (Secretary of Labor, Secretary of Transportation, Head of the Red Cross) but she seems down to earth. Well as down to earth as a politician can be. As she said in her speech, "I really believe that there will be a female president of the United States in my lifetime". How many of you agree or disagree with her. Let me know your reasoning. ------------------ Titan's fanatic!!!! It was the first time the Titans sent an offense to the line of scrimmage with Eddie George in the backfield behind McNair to go with Wycheck at tight end and Carl Pickens, Kevin Dyson and Yancey Thigpen at wide receiver. So many choices, with a full season still ahead. "I think that might be scary for a defense," Dyson said. [This message has been edited by Dream34 (edited October 05, 2000).]
We will have a female president in her time. I think Gore (unfortunately) will Win. LOL Seriously, Bush would be far better for this country, but Gore is a political animal, and will win. Gore knows you can do almost anything as long as you give it the proper spin. He learned from the best. The most prevailing thing that Al Gore has going for him is that the greatest number of people who vote in most elections are Democrats and Liberals. Republicans and those wanting a change are more vocal than active. Personally I think we should hire Jeff to start a "Save Our Paychecks" site to promote the Republican platform. Remember the Democratic Creed: if there is a single solitary person out there in America who does not have what you have, you will be made to buy it for them because they are disadvantaged.
