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My incredible China experience and some thoughts...

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout' started by Dallas Rocket, May 25, 2002.

  1. Dallas Rocket

    Dallas Rocket Member

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    I was invited to participate in a People to People exchange trip to China in 1989. The whole thing was almost cancelled because students had been in Tiananmen (sp?) Square for a couple of weeks and our State Dept. was concerned about security issues.

    Anyway, we left in late May and returned after an incredible two weeks. Our first stop was Beijing and our Chinese hosts (Chinese Medical Association) carefully kept us away from Tiananmen Square. They were concerned about safety issues and also didn't want to be perceived as being sympathetic with Westerners. We finally convinced them to take us there on our last day (before going to Nanjing, our next stop). They wouldn't drop us off at the square, but rather let us off at the Beijing Hotel, three or four blocks from the Square, and said we should walk in small groups to the Square.

    All 27 of us went and it was unbelievable. There was the Goddess of Liberty statue in the middle of T. Square; that would be like a statue of Chairman Mao in the Washington Mall!! Student were camped out with tents, flags, loudspeakers; kinda like Woodstock but with more control. The experience was very moving and emotional, Here were China's brightest and best students protesting for the basic rights that we take for granted. They wanted to be like us and loudly cheered us wherever we went. Tears flowed.

    After about an hour in the Square we were approached by Scandinavian journalists and told to get out, that troops were massing. We did, and later in the day troops emerged from the Forbidden City (at the end of the Square) and the rest is history. We took home some incredible photographs and memories. Beijing was bedlam the next day and it was all we could do to get out, as our plane had been commandeered to bring in fresh troops. Those of us who tried to have film developed in China were told that the photos were lost, and the film exposed!!

    Anyway, a couple of takeaways from the trip:

    1) The Chinese people were polite and gracious. Part of their core culture is the concept of "face." That implies that they never embarrass or show up anyone, and have ultimate respect for one another. They value relationships before the "deal." And groups deal with one another via point persons.

    2) The Chinese government will do whatever it damn well pleases. If they could wantonly and brazenly kill some of their brightest and best simply because they publicly protested government policy...well, there were no rules other than the ones they imposed. Their tactic was to keep people repressed via lack of communication and disinformation. People were afraid to speak with us in public after the massacre because they were afraid to be seen with us, and afraid of what might happen to them.

    Don't know how this plays into the Ming fiasco, but what the Rockets are doing regarding establishing relationships with Ming's representatives and the government is right on. It's been 13 years since the massacre and my sense is that things are slowly changing, and the Chinese government would like to advance themselves in the world community via Yao Ming. Hopefully that will make navigating the political mine fields a little easier.

    Dallas Rocket
     
  2. right1

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    Wow. I don't know too much about the massacre at Tiananmen Square. Just that 10,000 Chinese students were killed by Chinese troops for protesting human rights. We still hear in the news about people in China being persecuted/killed because of their Christian or other religious beliefs or their membership in Falon Gong (sp?). This must stop.

    Can someone tell me about what the Chinese call Heaven's Gate, located in Tianenmen Square?
     
  3. hoopgod13

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    Wow...that's an incredible story, Dallas Rocket.

    I've always been interested in the happenings of June 3, 1989...and the days preceding it. It is a real tragedy to see those young people die for a cause that they believed in.

    I remember when I was in middle school first learning about it (I'm 18), and I saw the famous pic with the man in front of the tanks. Everytime i see it, i still get goosebumps...so incredible.

    You really have a great story to tell, and something to hold on to forever...

    Only wish I could have experienced something like that (not for the mindless bloodshed, but to see the rebelling of a group for a better world)...
     
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    You're only 18, there is ample opportunity to rebel for a better world. There are many people rebelling against the dark powers that be right at this moment :) !
     
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    i was in 10th grade when this happened...i remember watching it constantly...we were all tuning in to see how it would be resolved. i'll never forget the images of the student standing in the way of the tank...every time it tried to move he'd jump right back in front of it...powerful stuff. liberty is amazing and worth fighting for...it's sad that it sometimes takes people in dire situations in other nations to remind us of that.

    what an amazing experience you had, Dallas Rocket!! you might want to write as much of it as you can remember down in a journal or something (if you haven't already). details seem to get lost with age and time...and your impressions of your time there will probably be pretty interesting to grandkids one day! :)
     
  6. Dallas Rocket

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    MadMax,

    Thanks. Have done exactly what your suggested. We have photographs and lots of documentation of the trip. Local Rotary club asked to speak about it so I also have the talk I put together for them.

    When we moved to Nanjing, Guanjou (sp?) etc. we ran into mock funerals everywhere. Again, they cheered when our bus came into sight.....goosebumps. And we have the funeral wreaths and other things that we given to usby the locals.

    One thing for sure: ever since that trip I have never taken for granted the freedom we have as Americans. All it takes is witnessing the plight of those who live in repressive regimes...and, as you know, there is still a lot of that going on.

    D R
     
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    I was in my late 30's and fortunately self employed so I could stay home and watch CNN minute by minute. It certainly does make you appreciate freedom and the courage of small individuals to stand up when their government is wrong.

    I experienced similar emotions while participating in protests against the Vietnam War.

    I get similar feelings when I see brave Palestinians, Bosnians etc standing up for their rights, freedom and democracy. Protests by brave Israeli Peaceniks and refuseniks, and anti-gobalization protestors (though I sometimes think they are misguided in some aspects) make me feel the same way.

    As another poster said. One of the good things about being 18 is that you will have many years to participate in such movements for the rights of individuals and freedom.
     

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