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Muslims: Tattoo 'em, put 'em in camps.

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by thadeus, Dec 4, 2006.

  1. thadeus

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    In U.S., fear and distrust of Muslims runs deep
    Fri Dec 1, 2006 9:35 AM ET

    By Bernd Debusmann, Special Correspondent

    WASHINGTON (Reuters)- When radio host Jerry Klein suggested that all Muslims in the United States should be identified with a crescent-shape tattoo or a distinctive arm band, the phone lines jammed instantly.

    The first caller to the station in Washington said that Klein must be "off his rocker." The second congratulated him and added: "Not only do you tattoo them in the middle of their forehead but you ship them out of this country ... they are here to kill us."

    Another said that tattoos, armbands and other identifying markers such as crescent marks on driver's licenses, passports and birth certificates did not go far enough. "What good is identifying them?" he asked. "You have to set up encampments like during World War Two with the Japanese and Germans."

    At the end of the one-hour show, rich with arguments on why visual identification of "the threat in our midst" would alleviate the public's fears, Klein revealed that he had staged a hoax. It drew out reactions that are not uncommon in post-9/11 America.

    "I can't believe any of you are sick enough to have agreed for one second with anything I said," he told his audience on the AM station 630 WMAL (http://www.wmal.com/), which covers Washington, Northern Virginia and Maryland

    "For me to suggest to tattoo marks on people's bodies, have them wear armbands, put a crescent moon on their driver's license on their passport or birth certificate is disgusting. It's beyond disgusting.

    "Because basically what you just did was show me how the German people allowed what happened to the Jews to happen ... We need to separate them, we need to tattoo their arms, we need to make them wear the yellow Star of David, we need to put them in concentration camps, we basically just need to kill them all because they are dangerous."

    The show aired on November 26, the Sunday after the Thanksgiving holiday, and Klein said in an interview afterwards he had been surprised by the response.

    "The switchboard went from empty to totally jammed within minutes," said Klein. "There were plenty of callers angry with me, but there were plenty who agreed."

    POLLS SHOW WIDESPREAD ANTI-MUSLIM SENTIMENT

    Those in agreement are not a fringe minority: A Gallup poll this summer of more than 1,000 Americans showed that 39 percent were in favor of requiring Muslims in the United States, including American citizens, to carry special identification.

    Roughly a quarter of those polled said they would not want to live next door to a Muslim and a third thought that Muslims in the United States sympathized with al Qaeda, the extremist group behind the September 11, 2001, attacks on New York and Washington.


    A poll carried out by the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), an advocacy group, found that for one in three Americans, the word Islam triggers negative connotations such as "war," "hatred" and "terrorist." The war in Iraq has contributed to such perceptions.

    Klein's show followed a week of heated discussions on talk radio, including his own, and online forums over an incident on November 22 involving six Muslim clerics. They were handcuffed and taken off a US Airways flight after passengers reported "suspicious behavior" that included praying in the departure gate area.

    The clerics, on their way to a meeting of the North American Imams Federation, were detained in a holding cell, questioned by police and FBI agents, and released. Muslim community leaders saw the incident as yet more evidence of anti-Muslim prejudice.

    IGNORANCE SEEN AS KEY PROBLEM

    Several American Muslims interviewed on the subject of prejudice over the past few weeks said ignorance was at the core of the problem.

    "The level of knowledge is very, very low," said Mohamed Esa, a U.S. Muslim of Arab descent who teaches a course on Islam at McDaniel College in Maryland. "There are 1.3 billion Muslims in the world and some people think they are all terrorists."

    Hossam Ahmed, a retired Air Force Reserve colonel who occasionally leads prayer meetings for the small Muslim congregation at the Pentagon, agreed. "Ignorance is the number one problem. Education is of the essence."

    There are no hard figures on how many Muslims have been subject to harassment or prejudice and community leaders say that ugly incidents can prompt spontaneous expressions of support. Such as the e-mail a Minneapolis woman sent to CAIR after the imams were taken off their flight.

    "I would like to ... help," the e-mail said. "While I cannot offer plane tickets, I would be happy to drive at least 2 or 3 of them. My car is small, but at least some of our hearts in this land of the free are large."

    And optimists saw signs of change in the November 4 election of the first Muslim to the U.S. House of Representatives, which has 435 members.

    Democrat Keith Ellison, a 43-year-old African-American lawyer, did not stress his religion during his campaign for a Minnesota seat, but said his victory would "signal to people who are not Muslims that Muslims have a lot to offer to the United States and the improvement of our country."

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    One of the issues I have with a 'moral' interpretation of history is that it lends credence to the false security of an 'it could never happen here' outlook. So, when someone writes a book (as far too many have) denouncing Hitler as evil, the reader's experience is often one of "whew, that guy was evil. I'm sure glad he's gone forever!"

    Naturally, people cast their own actions in a more favorable light, and the events of the past in a more negative one. "Yeah, but we're not them" is how the refrain runs.

    It's disturbing that people think this way, but not surprising.
     
  2. RocketMan Tex

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    Klein somehow must be a relative of Dennis Prager. :eek:
     
  3. Oski2005

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    Did you read the article? It was a hoax, Klein was trying to see what kind of response he would illicit and was disgusted to see that so many people actually agreed with what he had said.

    BTW, did the Prager story get any run in here? I haven't been checking the D&D all that much lately. I guess it's pretty obvious what's going on here when the first ever Muslim congressman, before he has even taken office, is told he has to prove he's not allied with Al Quedia on a national news outlet and then when he says he will use a Koran for the symbolic picture op swear in (the official swearing in is a larger group affair and no religious books are used), he draws the ire of conservative talking heads who try and equivicate it to using Mein Kampf to swear the oath of office.
     
  4. rhadamanthus

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    America is full of dangerously zealous idiots.
     
  5. halfbreed

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    Reading the article is o-ver-ra-ted.
     
  6. redefined

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    It seemed to me he already knew what kind of responses he would be receiving. I do like the idea of a crescent moon on their driver's license, but that is as far as I'll go.
     
  7. halfbreed

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    Umm...seriously?! A crescent moon on their driver's license?

    Yeah, and let's put a yellow star on the licenses of all Jews.
     
  8. rimrocker

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    If thus happened, I suspect many people (like me and Mrs. rimrocker) would "convert" to Islam so that we would have Crescent Moon's too. We'd still go the Methodist Church, but if anyone's being singled out, we can all be... conversely, if everyone is part of the singled out group, nobody is.
     
  9. MadMax

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    so sad.
     
  10. AMS

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    i never knew the crescent moon represented muslims...
     
  11. redefined

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    I was brought up in an anti-Muslim family. I was taught from the beginning to "hate". I know it's wrong, but now it's a part of me. How is putting a moon on your license discriminating? It's no different than having a restriction that you must be driving with corrective lenses. I mean I find it insulting when I am at the airport and I get chosen for those random checks without fail. It's ridiculous. I am neither from the Middle East nor am I am Muslim. If I show my license and they don't see a crescent shaped moon, then I am good to go, no?

    I do worship a full moon though. Put that on my license and I would be honored. Same thing goes with that Jew reference. Why wouldn't they want a star? We are in America and we have a right to practice whatever religion we want. In my religion, I am free to do whatever. I can convert anytime and nobody will look down on me. Why haven't I? Because I think its a great one and have no reason to change my beliefs. I'm actually quite proud!

    I'm not saying that a symbol on your license is ideal; I'm just merely stating that there is nothing wrong with it. If the Muslims (or anybody from any race/religion/background) have a problem with putting a crescent shaped moon on their license, then we know they have something to hide and are at fault.
     
  12. tigermission1

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    Me neither, but apparently it has become a symbol for Islam.

    I wasn't informed. :mad:
     
  13. tigermission1

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    I nominate this post of the year.
     
  14. subtomic

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    I have to disagree - irony isn't always entertaining.
     
  15. halfbreed

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    I had a long response typed out but first to be sure I thought I should ask:

    Do you even realize the significance of my yellow Jewish star reference?
     
  16. geeimsobored

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    Is this supposed to be some absurd irony or a joke or something?
     
  17. redefined

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    I didn't want to get in any trouble, so I intentionally made it ambiguous. Seeing your responses, I am going to have to go ahead and say it was a joke

    But consider this:

    I live in Dallas. I drive around with a Rockets logo decal on the back of my car. I know this is Mavs territory and they are a better team. I don't give a single damn; I will keep it on!

    My friend holds his chin high wearing his Harvard t-shirt. Another friend refuses to wear a local community college shirt in which he attends.

    Very interesting...
     
  18. KaiSeR SoZe

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    what?! :confused: could you clarify that bit?
     
  19. MadMax

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    I FREAKING LOVE THIS IDEA!!!!

    you are a good man, Charlie Brown. i think i owe you a beer or something. this is just beyond brilliant.
     
  20. jo mama

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    why do you hate america?
     

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