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  1. johnheath

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    Most Iraqis want troops to stay, says poll

    A majority of Baghdad residents feel US and British troops should stay in Iraq for at least a year, according to the first attempt at an opinion poll.

    By Guardian Newspapers, 7/17/2003

    A majority of Baghdad residents feel US and British troops should stay in Iraq for at least a year, according to the first attempt at an opinion poll.

    The You.Gov poll results were released as news emerged that a ground-to-air missile was fired at a US military plane near Baghdad airport.

    The poll said 31% wanted troops to stay "a few years", while 25% said "about a year."

    Only 13% said they should leave now, while 20% said they should go "within 12 months".

    The survey also found that half thought the US-led coalition was right to invade.

    You.Gov said there was no certainty that the 798 respondents were a representative sample and that several interviews were conducted with gunfire in the background.

    © Guardian Newspapers Limited
     
  2. MadMax

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    what?? but wait...i thought.??? and we heard....??? and the us is the devil!!! and halliburton...and condoleeza....i mean....huh???
     
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    They have the internet in Iraq? They have computers in Iraq?

    OK, in all seriousness...I don't think it is a good idea to make an internet poll for Iraqis...surely there is a better way.
     
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    Yeah, because then only educated Iraqis will be able to vote.
     
  5. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    Why are we not back on the airwaves of Iraq? I mean why haven't we produced counter programming to the anti American venom that Al Jazeera spews...put Fox in there to counter it...eye for an eye.

    DD
     
  6. JuanValdez

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    Well, yeah, that's what I'd think. I hope they didn't really do this as an internet poll because that would seriously skew the results.
     
  7. johnheath

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    So, are you saying that you care what the illiterate, Islamist, brain washed Iraqi masses think??

    I sure don't.
     
  8. rimbaud

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    Do you think Iraqi's with internet access goes above 5% of the population? I tried to find out but could only find stuff that said access was really really low.

    I don't care about the result...I just find it odd to attempt a first poll via such a limited tool/methodology (not to mention claiming a "majority" of anything).
     
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    Wow this statement says a lot.

    First you assume that anyone in Iraq, who isn't educated, is an Islamist brainwashed person. Where do you get that idea from?

    Second you believe that only educated people have a legitimate intrest in the governing of the rest of their lives. And the opinions of the common Iraqi person mean nothing.

    Most conservatives that I've heard have claimed what good we've done for the Iraqi people and that was one of the reasons we went there. Now to hear a pro-war person refer to them as 'brainwashed Iraqi Masses' and to state that you don't care what they think kind of puts to rest any argument you may have made about doing this for the 'people' of Iraq.

    Your condescending attitude towards Iraqis who don't have the benefit of a great education is bad enough. But to feel that their opinion of their future is meaningless, really floors me.

    I've always given you the benefit of the doubt when debating with you and your compassion, and belief in a people's right to govern themselves. Your statement here leads me in the other direction.
     
  10. JuanValdez

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    I found the survey in question: http://www.yougov.com/yougov_website/asp_besPollArchives/pdf/OMI030101018_2.pdf

    It was a face-to-face interview survey conducted 7/8 to 7/10. There's actually a lot of interesting stuff in there. For example, they ask why do you think the Americans invaded and the answer are 47% for oil, 41% for Israel, 23% to liberate the Iraqi people, a couple of others and only 6% for the weapons of mass destruction. They also cover hostility toward Americans, quality of life, expectations for the future and other stuff.
     
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    Thanks...that makes much more sense. Glad I misunderstood.
     
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    FB, quit putting words in my mouth and I will respond to you.
     
  13. FranchiseBlade

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    John Heath your satement clearly said that you don't care what the uneducated brainwashed Iraqi masses think. If I'm wrong then please help to understand by further explaining your quote.
     
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    This face to face poll blows away the vast majority of arguments about the American occupation.

    Most of the Lefties around here who constantly harp about how the Iraqis hate us need to educate themselves.
     
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    That is Republicanism, boy.

    I don't care what illiterate Americans think either. The only folks I want voting are people who took the time to understand the pertinent issue before them, and that leaves illiterate Islamists out of the picture.

    That is the sole reason we are staying there 4 years. Get it? The people there aren't ready for a true Democracy. They need an education about responsibility first.
     
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    These are the kinds of tests they put on the polls in the U.S. to keep blacks from voting. In fact some of the tests that were struck down by American judicial branch were literacy tests.

    A person can have a valid opinion without being literate. I agree they should educate themselves about the issues, but they can still have an opinion and educate themselves about the issues without being literate.
     
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    Sometimes you are a real ass. Now you are just another bleeding heart playing the race card, eh?

    I never said a damn thing about literacy tests. I said that people need to educate themselves before they vote on pertinent issues. Illiterate people can be educated, understand??
     
  19. FranchiseBlade

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    Yes I do think illiterate people can be educated. That's what I've said. I also think everone whether literate or not can have a valid opinion, so unlike you, I do care what they think.

    I wasn't playing the race card. I get so sick of people saying the race card is being played every time a civil rights issue is brought up. Merely bringing up literacy tests as a prequisite for voting isn't playing the race card. Especially when you yourself said that you don't care what illiterate Americans think.

    I mentioned civil rights legislation and a historical fact about what was done in the past to keep blacks from voting. Since the issue was literacy and if what illiterate people think matters, that issue fits in the conversation. I didn't say you were a racist, or anythying like that. I don't know you, and I don't know if you are or are not a racist. I merely brought relevant information into the debate.
     
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    Uh.. I would call that aristocracy, or elitism.
     

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