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Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Landry's Tooth, May 11, 2023.

  1. Landry's Tooth

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    He was compared to a guards and wings.

    It was given to you. Next step is for you to read it, understand it, and then reply in a constructive manner that displays your awareness.
     
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    My god man. Luka for all effective purposes is a pg. You know how you can tell? Not by usage rate but time of possession relative to the rest of his teammates. He is the very definition of a heliocentric pg.
     
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    What the hell are you talking about? Ts% and efg% is just as readily available as fg%.
     
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    There is no constructive manner from you. You are just speaking out of your ass.

    Please again explain why you aren't using ta% and using fg%?
     
  5. Landry's Tooth

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    He was compared to a guards and wings.

    It was given to you. Next step is for you to read it, understand it, and then reply in a constructive manner that displays your awareness.

    So you're saying me choosing to use data up to his age is reasonable and rational?

    Me comparing him to 1 and done is reasonable and rational?

    What are you whining about?

    The point you're only focused on is the thing i said he was ok at.

    So it's silly to whine about it. Do you have anything to contribute other than some arbitrary scoring stat that no one cares about?
     
  6. Landry's Tooth

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    Not when you are combining two separate years.

    If you're not literate in math just say so.
     
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    You can weight ts% the exact same way as you weigh fg% based on games played per year. It's the same exact calculation.

    Edit:

    Even easier you can just input the total amount of pts, fga and fta of their first two years into the formula for ts%
     
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    Because one is available in the download and to use the other is a separate download and needs additional manual calculations to combine years.

    Nothing is stopping you. Why don't you go run it for those players and years?

    Or do you not believe in it?
     
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    Dude you need three data points to calculate ts% for a player's first two years.
    Total pts scored, total fgs attempted and total fts attempted over each players first two years.
     
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    A better coach next year will do wonders for JG and the Rockets as a whole. That said, they still need a real PG.
     
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    Every player on the list you made that has a higher assist average also coincidentally have the highest time of possession on their team those first two seasons aka they were primary ball handlers unlike Green.
     
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    You're not adjusting for minutes.

    It can be the only reason why one player outperforms the other in any counting stats like points.

    Obviously you wouldn't take into account with someone like Fultz playing far fewer minutes.
     
  13. Landry's Tooth

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    That's completely illogical. Half the list was shooting guards. Most guards handle the ball a lot regardless of being a true point or not.

    Claiming you can't compare assists because of point guards and then doing the opposite argument on rebounds claiming he has no advantage over point guards is silly.

    You can't have it both ways.

    If it makes you feel better you can take out the point guards. He was nearly the bottom in everything so it doesn't impact the conclusion.
    10th or worse out of 12 doesn't mean taking 5 point guards out will make his numbers look better.
     
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    Accounting for minutes is accounted for with efficiency. If they are scoring at that level with that many minutes on that efficiency do not expect higher efficiency from that same player at the same stage of they magically up their minutes and volume. You can safely assume if you increased their volume to what they were them their efficiency would drop.

    So Fultz averaging 8 ppg though it was on less minutes than Green, scored those 8 ppg on 43% ts compared to 54% ts. So Green was multiple tiers more efficient than Fultz playing starter minutes. That means that massive efficiency gap Green has comes against opposing team starters and best defenders while also being the center of defensive attention often. So it would be absurd for you to believe that Fultz if he just magically increased his minutes to starter level which implies he's playing against opposing starters and has to expend more energy with more minutes and is being honest in by defenses more, that he somehow will exceed Green's significantly higher efficiency.

    If Rookie and sophmore Fultz for example is scoring at 43% ts against opposing benches mostly how the hell is he going to score at least at 54% ts against opposing starters with a lot more energy expenditure and being the center of defensive attention more?
     
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    Yes, thank you for agreeing with me in the most obviously wasted time imaginable.
     
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    I see you are just going to make up head cannon in your head of non existent talking points.

    I'm going to repeat:

    If Fultz is averaging 8 ppg on 43% ts against opposing bench units his first two years how the hell do you think if he hypothetically was given Green's opportunity of playing against opposing starters with starter minutes his first two years and being honed in as a primary scorer by opposing defenses he would exceed Green's efficiency of 54% ts?
     
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    Forget this. I should have muted you 15 posts ago. You're not following any logical point.

    You pretend that by giving you all the compenents of ts% I'm somehow ignoring it. You pretend I'm saying he's been inefficient when i called it acceptable.

    All you're doing is wasting time trying to troll.

    It's pointless. I've mocked you enough for your leaps in logic and it's time to move on...

    Ultimately i can tell you're not serious because 99% of your points are about his scoring and you ignore the actual conclusion made.

    Classic Green fanboy of looking only at his scoring and ignoring his obvious flaws at all cost.
     
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    You are making conclusions of "this player has 3.7 apg over his first two years vs Green at 3.2, therefore the other player must be better and I'm not providing any other context".

    Those are the dumbass arguments I need to consider?

    I'm sorry body but I'm not the one uniquely calling your analysis dog **** tier. Even posters here who are hesitant on Green and still somewhat skeptical have put in their input that you are being a dumbass here.
     
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    I hope that to be true but it's years of bad habits. I want him to be a spot up shooter or cutter... maybe pick and roll...

    But if he can't do better on defense then he can't get on the court to me.

    The lack of fouls was a huge gap. He averages 1.77 fouls committed per 36 in his career. The next closest is 2.207.

    That is roughly 30% less than the next fewest. If you're playing hard on defense you're getting fouls called on you. If you're sitting back and letting guys go by you then you're not in position to make contact.
     
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    I hope that to be true but it's years of bad habits. I want him to be a spot up shooter or cutter... maybe pick and roll...

    But if he can't do better on defense then he can't get on the court to me.

    The lack of fouls was a huge gap. He averages 1.77 fouls committed per 36 in his career. The next closest is 2.207.

    That is roughly 30% less than the next fewest. If you're playing hard on defense you're getting fouls called on you. If you're sitting back and letting guys go by you then you're not in position to make contact.
     
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